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EYB
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 14:03
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Yeah right! Cool statement 
The more get released the more options for listening: cool 
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jaramogi
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 14:44
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I dont blame the people making the music. I can easily understand that they like to see their own "creations" on a CD.
I blame the labels that uncritically release track after track. without any sense of quality.
Music that should have stayed in the bedrooms of those making it. But of course thats just my opinion. You might think it's all amazing music that deserve to be released. We all have different views on things. |
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 14:52
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Hey Bobo I understand fully what you are saying man, I am not sure but perhaps they do it to get recocnised by the labels and listeners I suppose,
and maybe yes it is hard that when you start writting music and to right original and you will be excepted by labels and listeners,
mind you that has always been my motto to be original in my music and art painting and thats the risk one has to take, which is great !
I rather risk to be original and not excepted then to be a copy cat and excepted and would be even worse if not excepted !
if I am compiling a cd and some and a new artsit send me tracks which sounds like another artist for sure I will not be interested !
In my opinion !
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 15:01
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On 2005-02-02 13:58, HandA wrote:
This scene have turned into quantity over quality!
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yep. but thatīs our all responsibility to reward quality and to turn away from plastic standardized boredom.
just be strong and criticize the crap by not dancing/ not attaining the accordant events/ not buying the music.
and... very important... speak out loud and positive remarks as soon as there is ambition and love in the music.
most people are not very strong in their opinion, especially about sophisticated experimental challenging music.
itīs normal that most people donīt have the time and commitment to music most of us in here have.
we have to convert the masses to good music by being politician and standing for something. in the hip hop scene they go like "my styleīs the best" and things like that. this wouldnīt fit into psychedelic culture (to much ego) but a little bit of marketing and courting would lead the average listener into another direction as it is going today.
sorry for suggesting missionary behavior. usually i hate this kinda crap and condemn it but today we live in a world where every scene/ style has to do this style wars thing and strive for attention only to have the slightest chance to be noticed.
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I blame the labels that uncritically release track after track. without any sense of quality.
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exactly. therefore i suggest that the labels get more professional again and donīt release friendsī music. i for my part would prefer to send demos to people i donīt know because then i can be sure to get an honest criticism of my work. (especially for the first releases)
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HandA
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 15:07
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Now see it's cool that new fresh blood is running into the scene and that's how it's surposed to be. BUT what I simply dont get is why it's so easy to get music released in this scene. In almost any other scene it's not that easy. Infact in many scenes you need to work hard to get released. It might take years of livegigs and struggeling before your mature enough as a band/artist to go on CD. Yes I know it's "underground" and all the opinions about freedom of expression and all that. And it's great. But people have to stop thinking that everyone can be a artist or a DJ in this scene ESPECIALLY the labels need to get more picky and quality minded. It takes more than a PC.. It takes talent and not all have that talent! And it does not matter if your a newcommer or a etsablished artist in this scene... It's equal to all! |
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 16:52
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manos hatzidakis(a worldwide known composer) said"people with no talent are coping,people with talent are stealing!"nice one.
anyway.if some people think that they have something to say leave them to do so.then its up to us either to accept it or to bury it.its a matter of taste. |
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mafkaroo
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 19:01
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There might be one way to stop the imitations, and get artists 'thinking'..
Make a psy-trance track with no saws and no pitch envelopes/modulation, and no affected percussive loops.
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ND
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 19:43
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On 2005-02-02 13:58, HandA wrote:
I blame the labels that uncritically release track after track. without any sense of quality.
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sad but almoust always true...
i'm happy that i can't even recognize one of mine creations from other, i'm happy i'm a freak, i'm happy that labels don't release my music cause its different a bit  .
live long psytrance scene 
you are free to do as we tell you
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Kitnam
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Posted : Feb 6, 2005 10:58
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its just because nothing new is allowed in psytrancemusic, today. for some years you where able to produce everything new, it was welcome to bring in new elements, new bassline-forms or new structures into psytrance. today you have to produce formula x or y and maybe z. everything has been done, just the level of production is getting a little bit higher, but there is nothing new. sorry, sounds realy pessimistic, i know.but this is how i feel and how many other people feel which use to produce psytrance from time to time. this is also the reason why many old producers give a f**k on psytrance today and like care about realy open directions like elektronic for example, where new ideas are always welcome and labels and people like to listen to something new. its finished in my eyes and this also much to do with the people which go to partys today and how they like to celebrate it, going on the floor taking some pills or a trip, dancing to heavy fullon for hours, feeling tired at the end and going home, thats all. there is no real possibility or any motivation for a lot innovative producers to care about psytrance anymore because its done. |
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Wizack Twizack
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Posted : Feb 6, 2005 20:02
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outch.. Mantik, that sounded scary :| |
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Kaz
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Posted : Feb 6, 2005 21:46
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David Gilmour (Pink Floyd's guitarist and 3rd 'leader' in band history) is considered a prodigy at sounding like others (both as a guitarist and a vocalist), his talent in reproducing what others do is considered none less than astounding. Yet he could never replace Roger Waters. Why? Because even if it's exactly alike, it's never the same.
New ideas aren't necessarily derived from earlier ones, especially in music. Making music when trying to sound like others is by definition not creative, and the fact that it's "somewhat" new is just an excuse. It will NEVER have the impact of something new. Saying "it's all been done" is a lie, or if not, much worse - unimaginative. People have said this exact line for at least a decade (the amount of time I can actually say I was somewhat part of the "scene", whatever that means). It was a lie back then, as it is right now. Just like "you can't do anything new in rock music", ya, explain Radiohead then (or Lemon Slide as an example of this in psytrance).
The Division Bell is Pink Floyd's best technically - and creatively probably the worst. How many people rank it here as better than Dark Side? Even to the newer Pink Floyd fans, the ones who haven't grown with the music, this album sounds uninspired. You can't cheat on this. People can hope the crowd won't notice, but the psytrance crowd does, and they forget the wannabes time and time again.
There were days when Alien Project was considered much more successfull than MFG. People are still listening to MFG's stuff and find it inspiring while Alien Project is drowned in the music he spent his carreer trying to sound like.
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Dainty Doll
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Posted : Feb 6, 2005 21:52
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On 2005-02-02 00:29, June Rashava wrote:
Yeah i have been wondering the same thing for a while. I jsut think that when some people see an artist they really really like them selves and they see the success they have, they just wanna reach the same, which is not really possible if you copy.
And FX there are many many talented israeli's, they are really good, but because they get taught from their friends, who got taught from their friends, and so on, they make the same sound..
2 reasons from my point of view.
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I get your point....
Now tell me how would a fresher or an ametuer learn....
He would copy some samples or tunes played by the artist who has taught him/her...
And then gradually start on to make his or her tunes....
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How people can learn.
Well i can tell you dude, that i make music myself, and i listen to music to get inspiration, not to copy what everybody else is making.
If you don't have a mind to create you'r own music, then you are not a true talent. Of course everyone has to get their inspiration from somewhere, but you'r are not a real musician if you just make what you hear.
Real music comes from you'r heart and mind, not from other people.
And i would like to say to you Mantik, that No everything hsa not been not.. Like the universe, the opitunaties in music is endless, you just gotta think like noone else. And that is not that easy.
People are very picky now because of artists are making it more and more commercial. Making rmx's of britney and other shit i've seen. But okay, it gotta develope. But because it is easy to make it more mainstreem that is why people chose that way.
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Kitnam
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Posted : Feb 7, 2005 14:22
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no, i cant denie indeed. the opportunities are endless, you are right offcourse and trance is just one niche in an endless universe of music. trance was always changing, we got the old israeli, we got scando-minimal we got the german offbeat, we got fullon with 2-3 directions while progressive became something like techhouse or retro-progressive with higher productionlevels. after a long period of experimenting trancemusic became a high-level-production music with clearly defined boundaries and possibilities. i love trance, i will ever do. but i dont love to produce it as i loved it for some years, where everytime you had sitting in the studio you had been able to suprise yourself with new possibilities of structures. today i produce a lot electronic [since a few days something like acidelectronic] which has soooo many possibilities and makes realy fun as trance once did and i know a lot of tranceproducers do the same, somewhere in the underground an i can say something realy new is going to happen and is happening.
trance is good and it has reached its highest state in my eyes, its an absolutly natural evolution, first anew musicform after that you have some more different directions and more people listen and make it and then you have more and more quality and one day the top-productions rules a big market. this is either bad or good ist simply natural evolution of music, same with rock, jazz, etc. if you want music which suprises you, go and listen to the musicdirections which are just born and studiofreaks give it their note until they ride the next fresh wave, thats how it is. |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Feb 7, 2005 16:55
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kitnam, nice words
indeed, instead of beeing angry about the "fetishisation" of our sacred scene with all the positive energy and innovation, we just should take it as it is and look for "the real goa" elesewhere.
itīs just frustrating to see "goa", that has been such a magical, mystical and playground for experimentalism to us, become plastik standardized with xtc chewing kidz having no appreciation and no idea about all the cultural aspects of the psychedelic thing.
but youīre right, itīs just a word, and if psytrance got sold out, well then itīs time to move on and "ride the next fresh wave", whatewver name itīs gonna get |
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Dainty Doll
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Posted : Feb 8, 2005 00:16
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On 2005-02-07 14:22, Kitnam wrote:
no, i cant denie indeed. the opportunities are endless, you are right offcourse and trance is just one niche in an endless universe of music. trance was always changing, we got the old israeli, we got scando-minimal we got the german offbeat, we got fullon with 2-3 directions while progressive became something like techhouse or retro-progressive with higher productionlevels. after a long period of experimenting trancemusic became a high-level-production music with clearly defined boundaries and possibilities. i love trance, i will ever do. but i dont love to produce it as i loved it for some years, where everytime you had sitting in the studio you had been able to suprise yourself with new possibilities of structures. today i produce a lot electronic [since a few days something like acidelectronic] which has soooo many possibilities and makes realy fun as trance once did and i know a lot of tranceproducers do the same, somewhere in the underground an i can say something realy new is going to happen and is happening.
trance is good and it has reached its highest state in my eyes, its an absolutly natural evolution, first anew musicform after that you have some more different directions and more people listen and make it and then you have more and more quality and one day the top-productions rules a big market. this is either bad or good ist simply natural evolution of music, same with rock, jazz, etc. if you want music which suprises you, go and listen to the musicdirections which are just born and studiofreaks give it their note until they ride the next fresh wave, thats how it is.
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I see you'r point. And yes maybe it has reached the highest, but in a way i don't think so. If people are smart enough and stop beeing gready (which i do belive it can happen, cos of my self. I know i am not the only one that thinks this way) i do belive that it will change at one point.. Maybe more Hope than belive. But i know i will do my best, so i will just hope i will be good enough to change it, and i hope that other poeple will work as hard as me, to change the scene. Open the doors for another kind of music is not easy. And maybe it will never happen. Who knows.
I just wish artists wouldten choose the "easy way out"
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