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Michael/Genetic Spin
Genetic Spin
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Posted : May 6, 2007 20:36
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First of all thanx a lot for all the support and comments! Means a lot to me.
After reading all your comments I guess the problem is really the old saying, which goes:
"good music doesn't sell, music people know sell"
I believe my music is good so the psytrance scene might have gone commercial and the scene doesn't work the underground way anymore. There are so many artists that the music need the commercialism and capitalism we know from pop music and the clothing industry.
About sending promos this is a nice idea and I will do that as a last attempt. However I've never really done that in the past, but there is also a lot more artists in the scene now than there was around year 2000.
When everything comes to an end I still believe that if the way to get back is going commercial through promotion rather than keeping the music underground then I'm off.
All the best
Michael
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dhaturaaaa
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : May 6, 2007 23:14
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what is underground , i think underground is the underground sound , not that the artist has to be underground ,bro all i want to say to you is ,dont give up so easy, you know you have support from us and from above, it would be sad if u give up easy , it is tough,for 1 year of hard work to go up in flame , shit happens, but then it should give you the courage and determination to fuking rock and kill us with more pumping traks in the future , maybe this pep talk is all you needed bro
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#Liquidream2012#
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Posted : May 7, 2007 04:26
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Man, dont be sad. Ur music is great!!!!
i love genetic spin style.
I really dont agree that the problem is your music, or anything like that. Great music, great style. I really admire your work, and i am sad to hear something like that.
Also, i dont agree that the problem is "label promotion". Thats not true.
Here in Brasil, lots of smart producers bring everyweek the same comercial pop artists, the most famous acts, so more and more people go, and they can make lot of money. Just few party producers r trying to make something with quality.
U can make the best "promotion" and it wont make a difference in this case.
Many and many great artists that i wanna see never come here. So i think its not a labels fault, or the artist...
Its real hard to promote a different sound. Slowly things can change,,, u have ur public bro!
Keep rocking man!
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Mr.Hanky
Ace Ventura
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Posted : May 7, 2007 07:57
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On 2007-05-06 20:36, Michael/Genetic Spin wrote:
When everything comes to an end I still believe that if the way to get back is going commercial through promotion rather than keeping the music underground then I'm off.
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You got this all wrong dude. Promotion doesnt mean going commercial. If u keep making music to yourself without exposing it to the world,no one will hear it.
and if u will wait for your label manager to do it for you,well u won't get far as well.
There are many ways to promote yourself easily,starting with uploading tracks via sites like Yousendit or Sendspace,and then sharing the link with as many ppl as possible,including party promoters,DJ's,etc. if only 1 out of 10 likes the track,then the promotion was a success. That is just one way,u can also use MSN,skype,Myspace and the likes to your advantage...u get my point i persume.
Psytrance is a kind of music and music is a part of showbuisness ...
if u can't stand the heat,stay out of the kitchen 
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : May 7, 2007 10:05
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Pavel
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Posted : May 7, 2007 21:49
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On 2007-05-06 20:36, Michael/Genetic Spin wrote:
When everything comes to an end I still believe that if the way to get back is going commercial through promotion rather than keeping the music underground then I'm off.
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You got this all wrong dude. Promotion doesnt mean going commercial. If u keep making music to yourself without exposing it to the world,no one will hear it.
and if u will wait for your label manager to do it for you,well u won't get far as well.
There are many ways to promote yourself easily,starting with uploading tracks via sites like Yousendit or Sendspace,and then sharing the link with as many ppl as possible,including party promoters,DJ's,etc. if only 1 out of 10 likes the track,then the promotion was a success. That is just one way,u can also use MSN,skype,Myspace and the likes to your advantage...u get my point i persume.
Psytrance is a kind of music and music is a part of showbuisness ...
if u can't stand the heat,stay out of the kitchen
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : May 7, 2007 22:16
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well you are giving him advice like he is a begginer...
this is an artist with 3 albums and apperancers on 26 compos, as written on his website.
so i can understand the frustration.
be strong bro!
The Way Back
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Anak
Anakoluth
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Posted : May 8, 2007 00:09
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michael i think this is the price if you're not swimming with the crowd. you do real good music man, i know all your albums and would prefer it over generic dancemusic for the masses everyday, and i think that most that like your music would too.
but let me tell you what comes into my mind about your project: there was huge mouth to mouth promotion in the internet before your first album. and very high expectations for it. also, it was kinda well received. but what happened afterwards? maybe it was my fault, but i had the impression that suddenly you ceased to keep the people informed and thus interested. i dunno how much of the promotion you had initiated by yourself before, but i got the impression that you didnt keep track enough after On/Off (i dont wanna make assumptions, so correct me please if i am wrong). hence when your next album arrived it was just "the second Genetic Spin", there was no timpani, no fanfare as there was before. and i guess that, like me, most of the people that were listening to you're music even before On/Off or Lowrider lost you out of sight and couldn't find you anymore during the time you released Spin City.
i would love to see and hear and read more from you
cheers, roman (maybe you remember zurich 2002?)
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Michael/Genetic Spin
Genetic Spin
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Posted : May 8, 2007 18:37
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About the promotion my point is in the past I've never really felt it was necessary in order to get bookings.
It seems like a lot of you think I've only been doing music for 1 year. This is disapointing for me to read of course and if that was the case I wouldn´t have written this topic.
Reality is I've been doing psytrance since year 2000. I've played live around 60 times in various countries like brasil, Croatia, Hungary, Sweden, Swiss, Greece, Denmark, Germany etc. I've released 3 album, 1 single and 27 comps on 18 different labels including established ones like SpiritZone, Iboga and Creamcrop.
I've never done promotion like seaking up organisers in order to get bookings in the past and it hasn't been a problem up untill like 1 year ago then it started to fade away. However when I was playing live the reaction on the dance floor was geeting better and better so it made no sence to me.
I decided to release a 3rd album and I was sure that this would fix the problem. To my big disapointment the result was worse than ever as I got 0 bookings since the release. This is the frustrating part for me and the reason why I say well then I need to quit it.
About underground I'm sorry but I don't agree with you guys. In my opinion one part of underground is when you have to find out about the music yourself, an artist can still be hyped this way. When you start to push your music forward through promotion this is using a comercial form in stead of making the music speak for itself. However this is just my personal opinion and the topic should not be about what underground is.
All the best
Michael
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Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod
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Posted : May 8, 2007 18:45
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Thing is Michael, there are far far more people writing trance now than there were when you started, and each of them is trying to get their music heard, and trying to get gigs. These days most promoters and listeners only have time to listen to music which is called to their attention, whether it's by an email from the artist or a review on a music forum. Your music might well 'speak for itself' - but no-one will hear you in a room full of people shouting. You (or someone) has to speak on its behalf.
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Outolintu
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Posted : May 8, 2007 18:57
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i'm sorry if this sounds harsh but you seem to be a bit spoiled. i know from my own experience that one can get lazy if one's being fead with a spoon. that period of time is now over and it's time to go hunting. be active
promoting ones tunes isn't being commercial but making sure the people who should know your music will. it's up to you!
p.s. if you want to be underground in the sense you describe it you have to be very patient aswell and wait until you get hyped.
one can't dictate the pace of hyping.
p.p.s. isn't this thread already promotion? 
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Psybaba Records
Psybaba Records
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Posted : May 8, 2007 19:25
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Hi Michael!
The scene grown bigger, and in a way splited to different musical styles. Lots of music coming out, it's very difficult (propably not possible) to follow every style's releases. Even difficult to follow in the style that I most prefer. So help the people to get in touch with your music. Promotion is not certainly a commercial thing, its just giving infomation to people, and they will choose what they like. But if they don't know about it at all, than what do you expect from them?
Others are right. Choose a label, that really taking care of you. Lots of the artists are of course not able to manage themselves well. Cause they are mainly musicians. Well organizing is a different talent.
Your label must be your friend in one. Has to help and support you in many different ways. That makes the story underground...I hope you will find the best one for you. To stop music making its not the right solution I guess. Only if you feel that you have nothing to tell anymore with sounds. Do you? I don't think so.
Good luck, and don't give up!
Viki
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DJ Buju
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Posted : May 8, 2007 20:44
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@ The Mighty Genetic POwer!
Bro, Look around the people who were making tunes in the style you did. How many of them are active now? How many of them are frequent flyers of the globe and have loads of gigs? How many of the labels who were after that style of music are still around?
When I answer myself on these questions things aren't looking that great to be honest...  but saying that good music is goos music and I want to believe that if you follow what you love doing and PUSH YOURSELF HARD forward you'll be able to get more work and more gigs...
Like many peeps here said PROMOTIONS is the name of the game... and i don't think its a bad thing.
Maybe before you didnt need to do it and you was lucky but time have changed and now YOU are the one that have to push forward and get your music out.
Another point is that you mention your music ( And Im a BIG Fan of the OLD stuff ) and that youve have 3 albums and many comps but also don't forget the FEW talented ones that make SUPER stuff and never even had the chance to get it out... look on the bright side or you sink down imho.
And not to repeat myself again but dude a Good label will for sure do its best to promote the album and get some gigs.
I think Psytropic aint that kind of label... 
Hope all goes well for you.
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DJ Buju
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Posted : May 8, 2007 20:46
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Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod
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Posted : May 8, 2007 21:08
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