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Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Oct 27, 2004 16:22
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On 2004-10-26 20:16, Pavel wrote:
AFAIK it was released on normal Audio CD which can't have more than 2 channels.


Just as a curiousity really:
Dolby made a surround system with three channels on normal CD's...it was used on quite a few big pop releases at the time.
By having one signal recorded in reverse phase on the CD the extra channel wont play back on your normal hi-fi, but if played back thru a dolby decoder you would have a rear channel. Basically 3.1 surround.

I been nagging about surrond music for years, but it seems very slow to happen.
It seems like still no-one is bothered to produce surround trance until it's commercially viable to make releases in surround.
My room i use as studio is not good for a surround setup really...and I'm still dreaming about getting another pair of better stereo monitors at the moment, never mind getting a whole surround set of them
But I still hope there will be some ppl starting to release surround audio and some party organizers making the effort up making some surround parties. Then I should have my other room ready for moving in the studio there...and hopefully be able to get some more speakers.

One thing that I think is a shame though is that probably people will use the dolby 5.1 standard, which is fine for film, but not great if you wan't maximum effect on a party.
For a party rigg I would like to see like a cube with eight stacks for a proper surround effect...but hey you can't have it all I guess.
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kiwa
Kiwa

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Posted : Oct 27, 2004 18:54
Some organisers do see the effort to set up a 5.1 system on the dance floor, and I think use of the standard has been slowly growing in the past few years. Unfortunately it is still more of a curiosity thing to have something like that in a party.

The organisers of the chill stage at Samothraki 2003 had a 5.1 set up over the dancefloor, and we actually mixed our whole set in 5.1. Unfortunately due to technical problems at the stage I had to convert it to stereo just a few hours before our set. A shame really... would be happy to do it again if an opportunity using that kind of a setup would come up.

Just to say that doing a 5.1 doesn't require top of the line professional expertise on the matter... the issue is, if you're able to do a good job on it or not. Also, why bother if you can't play your stuff in surround anywhere. Well, maybe this will change in the coming years... ?           www.kiwa.fi
spliffnik
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Posted : Oct 29, 2004 19:26
there was a party in Tokyo a couple years back at a large venue and they used 5.1....
I think it was Shanti that played.
Psypepper
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Posted : Oct 29, 2004 19:42
And can eat a lot of acid...
And in one monitor to hear all 20 channels! =)))
jyxx
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Posted : Nov 3, 2004 12:55
guys, let's approach the subject from technical point of view: presently normal CDs (read=audio CDs) support playback in 2.0 format i.e. there are 2 channels (so-called "stereo"). so as soon as we have any music recorded onto normal CD, it can't be 5.1 or 3.1 or whatever else higher than 2.0, just because it's 44100 Hz, 16 Bits & 2 Channels
am i wrong?
so as far as i can understand it, there can't be any rumours about this or that album released in 5.1 format, just because it's not supported by normal data medium.
of course i can assume that soon we'll have more than 2 main channels and 1 or maybe even 2 channels for subwoofer, but that's not a normal CD!
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Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Nov 3, 2004 14:54
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On 2004-11-03 12:55, jyxx wrote:
guys, let's approach the subject from technical point of view: presently normal CDs (read=audio CDs) support playback in 2.0 format i.e. there are 2 channels (so-called "stereo"). so as soon as we have any music recorded onto normal CD, it can't be 5.1 or 3.1 or whatever else higher than 2.0, just because it's 44100 Hz, 16 Bits & 2 Channels
am i wrong?
so as far as i can understand it, there can't be any rumours about this or that album released in 5.1 format, just because it's not supported by normal data medium.
of course i can assume that soon we'll have more than 2 main channels and 1 or maybe even 2 channels for subwoofer, but that's not a normal CD!



Read my previous post.
Yes you are technically wrong.
With a dolby decoder you can get CD's incoded with a dolby encoder to contain an extra channel using phase-inverting.
When you have the three channels it's just a matter of using EQ to extact the bass channel, and you end up with a 3.1 signal.

5.1 would not be possible on a standard CD though.           (``.(``.(``..`).`).`)
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sWa
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Posted : Nov 4, 2004 06:51
hum.... IMO its already hard enough to mix in stereo, and it takes much time already, do you imagin the time it would take to mix in DTS or dolby surround.
And i dont think there are enough ppl to buy that kinda of stuff, dont think it would be worth it.
But for partys it is an intresting thing
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Cosmos Mariner


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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 00:42
wow, funny this comes up, i've been thinking about just this sort of thing lately. at the burningman festival two years ago a group called sol system had 8 speaker surround, which i think they did by rigging up some sort of controller w/ a joystick to move the sounds around (spliffnik you'd know more about this, i wasn't there for that one ). i think it was just stereo hooked up in funny ways.

i've also heard/read that in the 70's studios tried "quadraphonic" sound, ie. 4 channel instead of two ("stereo" is short for "stereophonic"). i'm not sure what was released that way, but i think it was some of the psychedelic music of the time It never took off tho. i wonder if any of the technology is still around?

perhaps co-opting the dolby surround technology would be the best bet at this time. all of the technology used to make it exists, just used for movies. at the very least using te 5.1 for live acts is pretty damn cool          sound is vibration
lucid


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Posted : Nov 10, 2004 01:51
what about DVD-Audio?

zooter
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Posted : Nov 10, 2004 07:44
Did not Pink Floyd (or whatever is left of Pink Floyd) play in 5.1 in some concert?
jaramogi
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Posted : Nov 15, 2004 22:20
think that prodigy and orbital have made some 5.1 tracks - orbital done a livegig in 5.1 surround

think 5.1 is special for trancemusic - whooo the people on the dancefloors would driving crazy when the sound comes from everywhere
Cosmos Mariner


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Posted : Nov 17, 2004 20:03
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On 2004-11-15 22:20, jaramogi wrote:
think that prodigy and orbital have made some 5.1 tracks - orbital done a livegig in 5.1 surround

think 5.1 is special for trancemusic - whooo the people on the dancefloors would driving crazy when the sound comes from everywhere




the sound already comes from everywhere!!!
ahhhhhh!!!! it never stops!!! ahhhh!!



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Rick


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Posted : Nov 17, 2004 20:36
@ Cosmos Mariner : The Delta played a party in Tokyo in quadraphonic surround sound a couple of years ago.
Cosmos Mariner


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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 04:17
nice one! just ran across this link, perfect...

http://headwize.com/tech/sshd_tech.htm

this is a nice little primer on quadraphonic... so it was just 4-channel sound recorded into two channels with a "matrix decoder" to pull it back out. this doesn't look like it would be that hard to use... plug your mixer into this box, the box into the amp/PA, and boo yaa!           sound is vibration
slyman604
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 05:46
i think the problem is to setup a 5.1 system at a party is going to put some people in a bad position to get the surround effects.
i think this would much better for more ambient/downtempo stuff for home listening.
like shpongle 3 in 5.1 , that would be sick.
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