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432 Hz tuning: The Music of SUPERCONSCIOUSNESS
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 17:25
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to those who apply this theory ....
do you tune your soundcards or individual instruments?
curious!!!
  "... b'om ..." |
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soulfood
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 18:09
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I just bought a sitar and now I'm a slut to just intonation and the beauty of resonance.
Never really understood how a few cents here and there could make much difference, but the sitar is proof of how just intonation can be better than equal temperment.
But that implies a downside to tuning all your synths to A=432. Most instruments one might record can not be tuned that way, but hell they don't sound all that out of tune with eachother to me anyways. |
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ansolas
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Jul 9, 2008 23:22
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NOOOooo man!!! You didnt!!
awesome if u really bought one and play it. this instrument is one to show best that these facts exist for really long time now.
But 4 me, i have to say, its not the 432hz which it makes. u can quite give everything its sound, or u can make it hearable.
if i try to fix my track at time elapse the earth takes for a plathonic year for example, i´m at chromatic a of 433,25(?¿?)hz, which would be - 25,51 (?¿?) cents...... and yes, this is quit sure big difference!!! so the earth gives for any special time elapse another frequency. even three for the dayly rotation as shamantrixx already told us.....this exactly 432hz is another mistake we should not keep our eyes on. because its not as exact =)but most times there are no possibilities to give your machine the perfect pitch..... but u can reach very very close if u know about how to.......
only thing important for me is to bring any instrument or synth in my track on same chromatic a. which is mostly in electronic music production around these 432hz. i use different ways, cause not every VST plug has its own Mastertune section. those who havent, u can correct with cent detune at the oszillators. how u calculate this u have to search yourself.....=) even the delaytimes, releasetimes and sure anything around the track could be calculated with the basic frequency, you made your track on. thats the reason why we think everything comes from the same and goes to the same. mikro-makro, wumpawumpa.....mathematics of life. anything in space can be calculated maybe not by human, but it can be.....
thats my choice to think about that, sure there are more ways to visualize that for better understatement.
thx ansolas for the link!!!!!! very interesting. thats a period i never had the chance to have a listen before....very nice!!!
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3rdeyefotos
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 15:00
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Howdy Trancefreaks.... long time listener, first time poster...
A few ideas to ponder, if I may....I am fully open to any counter-theories anyone has but i'm not too keen on the time wasting ice-heads who reply with their tirade of abuse.
Kudos to the shamntricks dude for his consistency and courage against those narrow-minded nitwits.
Speaking objectively from a purely and inescapable subjective point of view (and I rarely consume any mind altering substances), my opinon is as such...
1. Numbers are rationalisations that enable the mind to make sense of the structures we perceive within our "universe". Numbers imply a division between objects that we perceive as being independent of each other and DO NOT allow for the analogous transition from one "point" or "object" to another.
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2. There is no such thing as a perfect circle....
2a. Geometric shapes, either drawn, constructed or dreamed up can NEVER be absolutely perfect.
2b. The geometric structure of natural objects, eg. a nautilus shell, follows the golden mean hypothesis BUT the growth of these "objects" is usually far from perfect, they only tend towards the set values we mere humans have attributed to the golden mean.
A hypothesis (human mind construct to facilitate understanding)for this apparently awkward inconsistent growth pattern in such natural objects is thus: "Everything" in our "universe" is interconnected. There is no point at which there exists nothing between two objects, the object and its environment are simply vibrating at a different frequency. The underlying "fabric" of the "universe" that binds "everything" together.. some gravity-like force that we mere humans dont understand.., like some giant 4 (or more) dimensional bed-sheet however imperceptibly weak.. facilitates the ability for every "object" to exert a force upon another "object", for example, the movement of the moon, sun, asteroids, distant stars, "human beings" ants, atoms, everything, have an effect on the growth pattern of this "object".
This hypothesis suggests, to me, that the "universe" is UNDIVIDED, a unified indivisible whole structure or singular"object".
Numbers simply provide a means for our mind to make sense of the world around us, enable the mind to construct objects.
If we could start looking at the nature of "reality" and our "universe" as indivisible, analogous, then numbers like 432 become meaningless.... but... the ability for us to tune our instruments close to this "frequency" brings us closer and closer to the ever unatainable balancepoint that is 432....
i dunno, im a bit mad sometimes but this is what ive come to .....
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 14:28
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Thats another way
no joke, any beeing got its own interpretation. and i respect your opinion.
but 4 me, i knwo quit sure a bit more bout numbers and golden mean, and it doesnt make sense when u say there can NEVER absolute perfection be reached. Because thats the only thing the golden mean tells us......perfection reached by something we will never reach and never understand. En Soph m8.....
anyway, the story bout numbers, colours, tones, etc is a story would not fit in this space here. but sure they where not invented to help us understanding our world. because numbers dont give even sense except u just use em to calculate something.
but another story and for me is quit normal everyone has its own interpretation. only important thing is that your interpretation makes sense for u. theres no need to be understood by other people cause every human beeing has its own past life and reached its own level in mind......
has nothin to do with beein dump or not this is quit one construction of numbers we will not understand this life. u can even understand nothin through calculatin with numbers, but sure can numbers help u understand something. 4 me its the boarder of imagination. but sure is a wall u can break through if u free your mind and give things u never imagined a chance to exist they will do 4 sure.
anyway, if its true what u wrote there wouldnt be perfect cycle like the mayan calender shows. it would be perfect shit as u want it like this to be. 4 me it is not. but sure only a few people today still know bout time, numbers, cosntruction of mikro and makrokosm and which way everything will go. theres no possibility that everybody can understand this, cause they whole construction would make no sense at that point.
Numbers, colours, letters, names, anything what u want is much more thatn meaningless. its the understatement bout that to get....=) and a mind, free for things u couldnt imagine or believe in before. whole life is just evolutionary process, your body, your mind, your soul...... but u will not reach anything above the past, before u dont free your mind for something above m8.
sure this is all spiritual blahblah, but this spiritual blahblah says for thousands of years now, that there will always be 1/3 understanding and knowing bout that and 2/3 givin a shit bout that. through any period. we the people are thinkin and calculatin in years, but the circle is not the year. there are hundreds of em and they´re goin through even thousands of years. wanna tell me plathonic year has nothin to say?
then u didnt get it man.
but as i wrote before, theres no need to discuss bout that, cause its all written, those who know will cary out in the world to those who wanna share, and those didnt get until now will take some more time/lifes/whatever to reach same point. But anything will lead us to the same at the end. but sure its endless process until that we cant understand. even numbers where chosen to show us there is endless process whole life and whole cosmic construction is endless beeing, we will not understand this life. but they also show us way how to reach as close as its possible to that point. just your mind is the boarder.......
ok, my opinion, as i said sure anybody has its own. just to show you there is much more to expire behind numbers than mathematical calculation. but anyway one is interested in, the other is not......the more you wanna know, the more you´ll get.......
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3rdeyefotos
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 15:42
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Thankyou for humbling my mind, i sometimes feel as though i have the knowledge of the universe bursting out of my mind but no way of expressing it due to my inability to convey my ideas...
the times i feel like i understand the concepts this topic is discussing are when i listen to this kind of music or when im driving long distances with only my mind to keep me company...
I feel a little misunderstood but no problem, I will summarize my rant... with a question.
At what (point/moment) does one state of (being/location) become another?
Can anyone tell me
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acidkills
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Posted : Jul 12, 2008 08:16
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3rdeyefotos
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Posted : Jul 12, 2008 08:57
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On 2008-07-12 08:16, acidkills wrote:
There is no particular moment cause everything is constantly changing..
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my thinking too....I would replace the term "everything" perhaps with either "1", "whole" -or- "zer0"...
where would this leave our friend, the definitive 432?
By the way, I am very interested in playing with this tuning, to experience its effect on my mind... I am stuck on the Vanguard at the moment, any tips would be muchly appreciated as my DAW knowledge lacks the experience of you guys. |
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3rdeyefotos
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Posted : Jul 12, 2008 09:06
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oh, and can anyone tell me where i can find a perfect circle, my metaphor for the 432 |
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realtime
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jorge
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Posted : Jul 15, 2008 06:55
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Tun = 18 uinal = 360 days
Katun = 20 tun = 7,200 days
Baktun = 20 katun = 144,000 days
maybe in 2012 |
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3rdeyefotos
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Posted : Jul 15, 2008 08:02
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Ok, end of the eon, the age of Aquarius is upon us and so on... I am all for the end of this mafia/religion that seemingly controls the world and gladly welcome a new way of thinking....or, rather, going back to the old way of thinking, which structures our experiential reality around golden means and fibbonacci sequences... an so on...
The meaning I am trying to convey is that there can never be perfection, there are, so far as I know, unlimited variables in any situation, construction, idea, hypothesis and so on. How can we limit perfection to the numbers such as 432?
My own counter-statement is for me to approach this conundrum with an open mind.
... So my next question is, What is perfection, what defines perfection, and where does it exist?
We live in a seemingly analogue reality and constantly strive to apply digital structure to enable us to make sense of what we see...
I stand by my statment "There is no such thing as a perfect circle"
If anyone can prove me wrong I would be very interested to discuss the implications. |
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acidkills
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Posted : Jul 15, 2008 08:17
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On 2008-07-12 08:57, 3rdeyefotos wrote:
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On 2008-07-12 08:16, acidkills wrote:
There is no particular moment cause everything is constantly changing..
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where would this leave our friend, the definitive 432?
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Well our friend, 432, is not subjected to the material laws of constant changes.. Its not limiting when we say 432, its just way of defining it with use of modern scientific approach..
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3rdeyefotos
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Posted : Jul 16, 2008 06:35
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IMHO, the statement of "432 not subjected to the material laws of constant changes" is reasonably correct, as it is a subjective value we have given to our subjective observation.
In an objective reality, (one that we cannot, by default, normally experience) there is no moment or point or time or place where 432 actually exists,
Wiki-Quote : In quantum physics, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is the statement that locating a particle in a small region of space makes the velocity of the particle uncertain; and conversely, that measuring the velocity of a particle precisely makes the position uncertain.
Paradox:the closer you get to something the further you are from it.
Here we see a scientific description of paritcals being objects independant of other objects, no analogue transition.
IMHO It is a foolish person who believes that the universe can be broken down into 1's and 2's.
I stand by my statement, there is no such thing as a perfect circle,
Further to this, I state that 432 is created by the mind and when used, in any form, it resonates with the body.
Conversely, events and "objects" that carry 432 characteristics such as time frames or sun diameters etc. resonate with the body and engage our minds.
So is our brain and body and its relationship to 432 an unavoidable result of the evolution of the universe? I would say Yes.
Our local universe/reality tends towards 432 golden means, and in response, our bodies resonate back.
My last statement is that we should all strive to solve the 432 through experience and perhaps we will find, locked away behind the veil until we solve this conundrum, that there is yet another more difficult question.
Im going to try to solve the 432 problem by 2012.
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