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___GuyShanti
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Posted : Feb 11, 2001 16:22:03
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Hi Yuli
Shahar told me that you have found some new way to write melodies... what's your method?
for me - I write a bass line and percusion, listen to it a few times and i 'hear' a melody (or mabey imagine it) and find the notes. how do u do the voodo that u do? the question is for everyone whos into writing.
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___yuli
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Posted : Feb 11, 2001 17:22:38
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Ganti,
I don't know about new way of melody writing coz all the ways already been done some 120 - 150 years ago heh
But what I do besides listening to the small thingies sitting in the rhythm ( good one Ganti ) I make up a melody - and I break it into some 2 or three different parts - but not like take the 3 melody lines and play em one on the bottom of another - but actually make question answer games between them and
1. Its really funny
2. It is not so easy to do and therefore generally good for the head - like a good puzzle ;-)
3. It will always b original - even if u use some riff that was done 20000 times it will still sound different and special
Also I try to choose pentatonic scale + some jazzy interpretations of pentatonics - so it mostly wont b too 'Trancey' anyway.
But I promised some ppl and myself I stop with melodies for now cause it sound like RETRO in my new tracks - NU SOUND with OLD MELODIES - kinda nice for home and brilliant for taking deep breath and going AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH but it's not what the trance up to today - so tuesday on I make DARK BLT ;-)
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___Yeshmazav
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Posted : Feb 11, 2001 22:06:09
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Hey guy...
Im kinda new to trance melody writing but I have a guitar in my hand for like...15 years...
It may sound stupid but its bassicly the same.
Just sit with a synth (or any instrument youre used to) and find a short 5-6 tone melody that sounds nice, record it, build a baseline that fits and continnue to expand the melody with notescales (solamot) untill youre satisfied... and WALLAH, presto a cool melody...
Thats the way I do it but Yulis system sounds cool too (I think ill try it right now!)...
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___GuyShanti
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Posted : Feb 12, 2001 11:35:10
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thanks liron, I dont have a problem ith melody witing - i've been into it for too long... however, i want NEW ways for melodizing. yours is cool but conventional and i do it too sometimes (ex guitarist my self). pentatonic scales sound nice though...
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___MichaelA
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Posted : Feb 12, 2001 18:19:40
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Heh... I just throw something on the Piano Roll. If it sounds ok, then I make it sound even better, if not, well then delete and start over. |
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___yuli
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Posted : Feb 12, 2001 20:30:02
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It's fine to 'throw something on the piano roll' but when u do this for couple of years - sometime u ask yourself where is the music in this.. coz it's really easy to put 16 notes on piano roll and play with their velocity, delete one add one, put one half a tone down and the other one half a three half tones up...
I don't see that as music making and I want to feel I am a MUSICIAN
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Posted : Feb 12, 2001 23:23:59
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Breaking in with another question... (Yuli? :) Is it hard to keep melodies away since you've sworn "NO MELODIES IN THIS TRACK!!!", but it's become a habit, many years of melody writing :), it must be really hard to concentrate on rhythmic textures when stupid melodies keep crawling into your mind :))))
One more thing.. creating complex but swell sounding rhythm textures is another topic to discuss :) For example, it's hardly possible to keep all those "bing-bangs" in your head before sequencing them.. like where in the texture a certain snare or a loop fragment should sound best, etc etc.. should it come with a delay, or a reverb, or smth else on this particular "bop", etc.. same as with melodies, sometimes there are textures that are perfectly constructed, every sound belongs to where it's placed.. and other textures are just randomized.. It's interesting to hear how people cope with that apart from injecting silly melodies to spoil the whole thing :))))
Peace.
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___yuli
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Posted : Feb 13, 2001 01:00:07
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ird,
In answer to the first one - I try not to go like 'NO MORE MELODIES AT ALL' after all we deal with music... When I DO say that the meaning is that the track will b generally speaking based on pure groove and somewhere in it will appear some melodic entrance BUT it will b used ONLY as a monotony breaker and not as a new lead in a track.
It is important for me to clear up some way that I see things - Melody & trance are not going together so well.. WHY ? because when the 16th melody takes place MOST OF THE TIME it will 'take the trance away' and u just get extatic and need more melody 16 bars after. The state of TRANCE requires groove of some kind - if it's kinda tribal beat, or funky squeaks it's matter of taste - but if comes a long term melody it breaks the trance that in the head.
As an excellent example for what I say hear X-Dream: Oscillator or psychomachine from the album Radio and see that mostly the tracks groove you into trance but they are also melodic - just not the usual type of melody.. it's more broken to pieces and thus, is much more psychedelic than an ordinary 16 note line.
About rhythm - ;-) it's really such a big issue, deserves at least 5 threads on it's own he he
One of the most important things that I try to hold to, though not always can.. is to use only what I need and the LESS u use, but the smarter u use it will bring u to most excellent rhythms. Some tips -
1. Do not exaggerate with delays ( not too much delays and not too long )
2. Do not exxagerate with reverbs - BUT sometimes DO exaggerate ( Check out the Massive Attack/ Chemical brothers groove sections to see perfect reverb arrangement )
3. Try to feel the place ( EQ wise and Volume wise ) of every piece in your rhythm and see if it 'sits' well
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___MichaelA
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Posted : Feb 13, 2001 20:27:01
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So why not make melodies [i]and[/i] groove? Like I do... |
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Posted : Feb 13, 2001 21:50:05
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Yuli,
100% agree with you on the point that general melody types break the trance... I've heard someone say that the music widely known as "trance" (that was about that standard melodic psy-goa-trance of 95-98) has very little to do with TRANCE, and what really should be called TRANCE is that minimal flowing thing produced by labels like harthouse... Can't say I completely share this point, but it sounds reasonable :)
Concerning the voice samples, yeah it's a great filling.. BTW, where does the sample from "Clear Vision" come from? :))) I really like the way you used it... it's made the whole track!
Peace.
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___yuli
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Posted : Feb 14, 2001 01:01:07
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The voices on 'Clear Vision' are from 7 years in Tibet from a phrase said by Brad Pitt - I just rephrased it a bit.. Fixed it to fit the beat and the voice u hear in the middle it's just the same sample but stretched twice. Many times major time stretches bring u to amazing sound discoveries, very metallic like sounds very unhuman in a way but still it's a human voice.. so it's a real twister..
About trance - I think the melody is a necessity for trance music and any kind of music at all.. But bright star burns twice as strong as normal but lives twice shorter - melody gives a real strong push when it's used on time and it's really annoying when it doesn't stop for a couple of hours.. ;-)
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Posted : Feb 14, 2001 14:58:04
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tell us more yuli : )
btw: i love this forum , NOT a single bad word and stuff >>
which is weird btw cause its natural to coment and as i see in other forums
(like psytrance (france) ) this forum is FULL of YELADIM TOVIM
keep it cool :)
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___yuli
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Posted : Feb 14, 2001 18:08:57
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Hey Nostradamus... ;-)
If anyone here in the forum knows how to make mindbreaking riffs it is not me - it's u...
So feel free...
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Posted : Feb 17, 2001 02:37:25
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Just wanted to throw in an opinion here...
I think that ATMOS combines melodies into their music in a perfect way, they dont ruin the track and break the state of trance it puts you in but rather make the effect of it ten times stronger! |
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