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Your way to improve bass line sound
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The Lior
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 10:23
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hi there
its really interesting me how PPL improve bass line sound
  If you don't like what you're doing, you can always pick up your needle and move to another groove. (Timothy Leary) |
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 11:39
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get a good bass line to a point where you say "this is so good it doesn't need EQ and Compression" and then add EQ and compression to improve it 
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S.D6 (Yakir .B.)
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 12:41
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you can take my advice... i dont use it anyway hahahaha...
1) use good machine to synthesis your bass sound in (i use the Novation V-Station, Novation Bass Station, Refx Claw)...
2) use more then one EQ on the bass line to get better sound, emphasize the Frequencyes between 35hz-2khz, cut below andabove those frequencyes.
3) use a good compressor to get the sound sound's tight and accurate..
4) good mix with the kick (you have no clue how it's effect's the sound...
5) play it on low octave but not to low because it's will sound's suck's, also dont play it on high octave because it's will sound's like a Lead...
the best note's are D1 - C2.
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NikC
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 12:50
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My B-Line technique goes something along the lines of:
Creating the sound, and determining which tone it sounds best at.
Topping and Tailing to my liking -
then C4 (or other multiband compressor) -
then Quadrafuzz (secret weapon - but needs to be SUBTLE)
Then another e.q. with notches and more precisely edited.
Peace
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 12:52
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apart from FX and EQ and whatever VST is killarghhhh
remember to: use velocity and note lenght to shape your bassline
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NikC
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 13:21
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On 2005-09-13 12:52, sy000321 wrote:
apart from FX and EQ and whatever VST is killarghhhh
remember to: use velocity and note lenght to shape your bassline
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Yeah!... Also envelope! (forgot to mention in previous post)
It's all about how the bass attacks, sustains and decays, also the length and the velocity...
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 13:25
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about envelopes, i usually set everything but decay to 0 in the amp envelope and them adjust it to taste.
resonance can kill your bass and i find very hard to get an acceptable setting so, mostly, i set it at zero too.
killlarghhhhh 
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Lithium
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 13:43
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NikC
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 15:37
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yeah, Agree with both of the last posts:
In full-on basslines envelope settings really depend on what kind of sound you want to have: If you make a bassline without any sustain and just experiment with the decay, you can get very fast, spaced tones similar to many full on tracks. Of course, this has to be balanced with the Eqing and Compression, as you can still get unexpected results,
With full sustain you often get what i think of as a squarer less rounded sound, particularly if there is little or no release, however balanced with the rest of the mix a bassline like this can be just as powerful.
The Attack setting is something i find people look over in making a punchy bass, by tweaking the attack very subtly you can really change the way the bass punches, (attacks can also be balanced with time delays if you have a longer attack) Shorter attack times really change the punch and sound of the bass hit.
Sidechain compression is a great method of processing kick and bass (search if you want to find out how to do it). The most important thing for me with side-chain is that i think about what exactly i want the bassline to do... do I want it to modulate, change in groove etc, be full-on or more rolling.
According to what i want i'll set the Sidechain, i tend to prefer a subtle setting which adds greater clarity to the kick but doesn't infringe to deep into the punch of the first 16th bass hit (if full on)...
You can though always create the "rolling" sensation with sidechain too - "BAM di DI DI" 
This same effect is also possible to achieve with velocities... a standard setting can be to have the most emphasis placed on the off-beat to enhance "1st beat/off beat" groove typical of 4/4 but subtle changes can really affect the groove and direction of a track.
The filtering of a bassline is also critical to it's quality - resonance on a low pass filter has the one problem of creating a peak at the tip of the cutoff - this means that the resonance will be the same for each note and change according to the cutoff.
This is great if you have a single note bassline and you've found the perfect resonance setting, the problem comes when/if you want to create a more jumpy melodic bassline as the resonance will be the same but the pitch will be different for each note... at least this is what I find the problem.
What one can do instead is apply distortion subtly to get a more grainy or sharp sound, i personall like quadrafuzz in its simplicity, and eq out any notches which i don't like...
The rest is EQing and compression all the way to get a smooth (or varying - depending on what you want) sound...
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 15:50
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killarrrrr tips for killllarghhhh basslineeeesss
arrrrghhhhhhhhhhh
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NikC
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 16:10
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AAAAAAAAARRRRRRGH.... Killaarrgh
Realised I forgot to talk about Note length:
Note length is one of, if not THE most important things in setting the groove -
A standard full on (kilaaarrrghgghhgg) bass may just be 1/32ths one after each other constantly for ever and ever and ever....
But varied with not length (particularly with pitch change) 16th basslines become something far more powerful and groovy.
(K = kick s = shorter l = longer)
K s s l K s l s
(listen to pop-stream crying comet to hear an example of this kind of bass)
Also in terms of basslines remember
Space = Speed (well perception of speed to be exact)
if there is silence between each note then you can achieve a sense of faster pace than there actually is...
Lastly, use (in cubase/nuendo or whichever sequencer i'm sure)the time delay settings in the channel (just under panning in the midi/audio channel setting).
changing where the bass lies by just a couple of milliseconds makes a Huge amount of difference to the bassline, often making it sound MUCH tighter and often giving that subtle "pro" edge to a bassline...
It's the details that count
Peace!
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NikC
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 16:26
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 16:37
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maybe may final tip (can't remember anything else):
s s L s
1 2 3 1
3 = loud
2 = quiet
1 = quieter (quiet enough to not mess the kick)
s = short (1/32)
L = Long (1/16)
note that the patch must be responsive to velocity
since kick also influences the bass sometimes (always?) i do:
K---k---k---k---
where the first kick is louder than the following ones
another option is:
1---3---2---4
a) the kick at the 9th step is louder than the kick at the 5th step but quieter than the kick at the 1st step
b) the kick at the 13th step is quieter than the kick at the 5th step....
ehehheeh... a bit hard to explain... but easy to understand...
changing the differences between velocities changes the groove
btw, if you compress too much you'll ruin this... 
sooo waht do you think? killar? Killlarghhhh
joao
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sy000321
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 16:39
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On 2005-09-13 16:26, NikC wrote:
 KILAAARRRGHGHGGHGHGHGggghhhhhhhUUUuurrrrgghhh |
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lolol
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 17:00
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Too add, The mixing volume is extremely important when mixing bass...
too low volume and you risk mixing the bass too loud, and to high volume and you risking mixing the bass too low....
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