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Yet another Sidechain Q from a newbie
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Newbie2006
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Posted : Aug 17, 2007 00:17
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Hi Guys,
If I understood correctly, sidechain is basically ducking a sound over another one if the notes of those sounds are overlapped.
Like in usual kick and bass sidechain. Kick and bass notes are played at the same time with sidechain bass is ducked and kick is introduced only.
If no notes are overlapped there is no need for chain ??? If the bass is ducked what is the point of having that note right there in the first place? Is there any other purpose of sidechain?
When I draw my kick and bass, I usually pass the bass note where there is kick.
Thanks!
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 17, 2007 00:37
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its ducked, but not completly silanced
also it introduces that special "pumping" vibe to the kick and bass.
i dont do it much anymore, much prefer to sidechain pads or something to the kick i like that
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mubali
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Posted : Aug 17, 2007 00:59
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another use for a sidechain even with the 3 note bassline is if your kick is longer than a 16th note... If you're dealing with the kick in audio, then it's usually easy to fade out the overlapping part of the kick, but if you're using a sampler that doesn't have the sustain register with the length of the midi note, then the sidechain would be a good solution to that.
The bass note isn't completely silenced, it's just dropped down low enough to where the low frequencies don't interfere with the kick. This sometimes can give the low end a fuller feel to it. I have seen guys (i.e. Baba Jelly) that can make a 4 note bassline and just eq it really well to where you don't hear that conflict. Even though I watched him do it, I could never repeat it... I need another lesson 
Also, for funkier basslines, sometime putting the bass on the kick will give a groove that you could not do otherwise... so in the end it's just giving you an option to make something a little different...
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galactic monkey
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Posted : Aug 17, 2007 13:29
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hi,i work in fl7 so do you add the sidechain to the kick or to the bass or both? maybe a stupid question but it never seems to work and i have bass and kick under a seperate fx channel?
respect!
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mk47
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Posted : Aug 17, 2007 14:11
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in fl peak controller .. easy as
but i still really haven't got the point of sidechaining on the bassline (fast psy) .. just lower velocity bass notes where the kick is .. if u must . someone care to explain ?
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 17, 2007 14:17
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ya, like mubali said, basically i have my kicks in audio always, and the bass is also mixed down to audio when im happy with it, so i can make all tweaks to the audio itself and make sure stuff isn't overlapping and such.
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galactic monkey
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Posted : Aug 17, 2007 16:11
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ok thanks guys for your time
peace!
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mubali
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Posted : Aug 17, 2007 20:17
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Sometimes for me even lowering the velocity I get that little bit of conflict, and if I lower it too much it seems to detract from the initial reason why I wanted that 4th bass note in there to begin with. Also I have some basslines where the velocity controls the filter cutoff, and in turn might mess up what I was trying accomplish. As a whole, I don't really do the bass note on the kick very often, but sometimes it would be cool. I find that if you rule out things just because it's not the way others do it, then you will limit your creativity.
And Faxi, I went from using a sampler to audio, back to using a sampler again. I just take the kick in audio and adjust it lengthwise then plug it in the sampler. This is because I've had a few occasions where I decided 3/4th of the way through a track that that kick sucked, and to replace the audio takes a bunch of time and kills my creative spark.
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SecretHero
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Posted : Aug 17, 2007 22:53
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On 2007-08-17 00:17, Newbie2006 wrote:
Hi Guys,
If I understood correctly, sidechain is basically ducking a sound over another one if the notes of those sounds are overlapped.
Like in usual kick and bass sidechain. Kick and bass notes are played at the same time with sidechain bass is ducked and kick is introduced only.
If no notes are overlapped there is no need for chain ??? If the bass is ducked what is the point of having that note right there in the first place? Is there any other purpose of sidechain?
When I draw my kick and bass, I usually pass the bass note where there is kick.
Thanks!
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Good question!
I usually by-pass the bass where there is kick too. Or just lower the velocity of bass note.
Programming a sidechain on bass + kick not only lower the sound of bass but it also changes the grove of bass when played with ratio or tresh hold (which I dont like).
Play with velocity of bass.
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astrotec
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Posted : Aug 18, 2007 06:32
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i don't do sidechaining because i sample the bassline note by note, to make it more stable. and use exoscope to check the peaks. |
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mk47
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Posted : Aug 18, 2007 12:09
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i still dont get it .. what is this extra feel / groove people talk about with a overlapping and sidechained kick bass .. would it be possible for someone to post a small clip with and without the overlapping bass note ?
in prog , dub , chill etc i kinda get the point .. but for fast 140 + bassline ?
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mk47
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 08:56
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*bump* .. someone pls post a sample .. very curious here to know how this works
thnx
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shachar
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 09:57
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if you dont get the point then maybe you shouldnt do it.. sidechain is also god for pads, precussion lines etc... expirament! |
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z1P^
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Posted : Aug 20, 2007 15:52
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hello there brothers !!
this is very simple and easy vst for side compresion
http://sonictransfer.com/sss-side-chain-compressor-free-vst-for-windows.shtml
you just need to add it to your bassline channel as an effect. then route your kick drum to the bassline input and you will stop to hear this signal, you will need to add an audio channel to monitor the kick signal that you have sent to the bass.
playing with the bass velocity as someone said before can be nice and give more dynamic to the rhythm but its not always the desired effect, with this technique you can just forget about kick and bass overlapping, you just flow and write whatever you want, whenever you want  .
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Posted : Aug 29, 2007 01:18
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