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Y do sum people eq out the even harmonics from their bass ?
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bukboy
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Posted : Dec 11, 2006 18:07
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Any ideas? |
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talolard
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Posted : Dec 12, 2006 00:55
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they dont. they use a square wave which has no even harmonics to begin with.
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Dark_Dork
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Scala
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Posted : Dec 12, 2006 03:43
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i use sine , bla bla bla
u eq if u need 2 , always have room for notches .. |
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Mike A
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Posted : Dec 12, 2006 04:31
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i don't think anyone eqs out entire freqs from their bass. and if they do - they suck 
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Axolotyl
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Posted : Dec 12, 2006 04:38
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I tried it once. There was a thread on psyforum about it so I thought I'd give it a bash, thought I think it was relating to un-even harmonics of the fundamental. Anyway, it sounded like crap so I dont do it anymore. |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Dec 12, 2006 17:21
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On 2006-12-11 18:07, bukboy wrote:
Any ideas?
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Sometimes I do that. It can make a bouncey and soft bass line. It also makes room for othe elements (kick, snare, synths...). I do the same thing with kick drum. I tune kick and bass line so that they don't overlap in harmonics. That makes a groove less muddy and adds a punch and power.
Remember... the trick is to have a nice final sound. Working on a bass line while solo is not the brightest idea. I guess most of psytrance producers do that mistake 'cause most of the bass lines are muddy, dull, flat, unarticulated or way to distorted. Mostly it's a single tone bassline with ocasional octave up tone.
The goal is to be unique and not to sound like "oh no... not another generic psytrance track". So do whatever sounds good. Instructions and regulations just limit your work and make you sound like everybody else.
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talolard
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Posted : Dec 12, 2006 23:11
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On 2006-12-12 03:43, Scala wrote:
i use sine , bla bla bla
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No need for cynicism.
group theory can help us here.
not everyone uses square waves for bass but it is common. and they do lack those even harmonics. hence to the question "why do SOME people remove even harmonics"
the awnser THEY dont, THEY use square waves.
as it seems, u are not a member of the group labeled SOME PEOPLE and also are not a member of the group THEY. hence the above does not apply to u. but the groups THEY and SOME are the same group and so as you said, bla bla bla.
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bukboy
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Posted : Dec 13, 2006 08:05
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No I dont mean the spectrum has only odd harmonics like a squarewave. I mean that on psy forum.co.uk some people actually have the idea that removing the odd harmonics is good. (from a saw wave)
i got to this point after being told to remove humming frequencies from my bass but the only humm that resonates is in the harmonics.
So im just trying to get a more objective view on what removing "humm", or harmonics for that matter, accomplishes.  |
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Aiyro
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Posted : Dec 13, 2006 10:11
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Hello billionaire bukboy,
I have a feeling that this topic your onto is very familiar. Eqing is deffinately very important when working with a bass along with the kick. I have also been looking into removing odd harmonics in order to "clean" the bass and remove the humm. As to what I have found so far, u need a damn good EQ to effectively clean a bass properly. It might be that u have some resonance on the bass which can in worst case cause a humm in which case, make a new bass... Do u use monitors or some good headphones? Ive got some ok gear at home and often fall into the trap of producing solely on my monitors. If u have some headphones... use them ... especially when making the kick and bass... its helped me so much lately. Therefore IMO The best thing to do is to listen... Use your ears. I know it sounds like some lame suggestion but try to "blindly" use a good EQ. Make sure to adjust the EQ on your kick according to the bass! The argument for removing harmonics seems to arise when you are using several basses at the same time... to avoid this monotonous and muddy sound. When your seperately EQ basses and kick you will clear your sound... But as im still trying to perfect it (which will never happen  ) i cant give you a definate answer, however i hope Ive helped somehow.
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Robin
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Posted : Dec 14, 2006 20:22
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synthesizers are pure fundamental harmonics , thats why in the early electronic music age they called them selves the purists |
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 15, 2006 00:11
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yeah as usual shamntrixx always have the most reasonable explain 
i like to remove the second or third octave from bass , and 4th or 5th or even 6th from the kick
if u like it clean... (i think to open my own dry-clean-bass shop , if anyone intrested  )
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Dec 15, 2006 16:33
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On 2006-12-15 00:11, tsabeat wrote:
yeah as usual shamntrixx always have the most reasonable explain
i like to remove the second or third octave from bass , and 4th or 5th or even 6th from the kick
if u like it clean... (i think to open my own dry-clean-bass shop , if anyone intrested )
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Tnx! it's nice to know that at least some of producers have innovative approach. If you're going to sound like everybody else than what's the point in producing new music when there's already a bunch of tracks that sound just like yours?
I also often EQ kick drum beyond recognition. I leave the snap point (around 4-5 kHz) and fundamental octave. Tuning kick and bass to 432 Hz instead of "standard" 440 Hz also helps a lot. For audio samples just tune them down for 0.31 (-31 cents). This way frequency of drum and synths will get coherent with 8 Hz and thus with 72, 108 and 144 bpm tempo
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illusions
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Posted : Dec 16, 2006 09:01
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Tuning kick and bass to 432 instead of standard 440hz ? Not quite sure I'm getting what your saying here. Care to explain ?
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Dec 16, 2006 16:02
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not just kick and bass... everything can (should) be tuned to 432 Hz. I care to explain but I'll start a new topic and write an explanation. Also I'll point to some web pages with more detail information regarding this topic.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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