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avduka
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Posted : Oct 15, 2007 23:59
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I have read many times over that the kick and bass should be in key or something sensible. I don't understand music theory. I have tried reading but cant make too much sense of it. Can someone explain what it means to have the kick and bass in the same key? What about other elements of the track, should they be in key also? I read that if you put your snares in the key makes the sound more alive. What is all this key talk, can someone explain? |
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brasirc
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Posted : Oct 16, 2007 00:21
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key is the note, the root note of the song....is good for instruments to be on same key cause makes them more harmonius, they blend together alot smoothier...
a note you should know what it is, right?
do - re - mi - fa - sol - la - si, so on..
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Alias
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Posted : Oct 16, 2007 01:32
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do - re - mi - fa - sol - la - si, so on..
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c - d - e - f - g - a -b
first of all drums also have notes
second, you need good "ears"
when you loading your drums on sampler you can use the pitch or tuning option!
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 16, 2007 11:15
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its true to some level i think
on other level , same drum kits used alot of bands and alot of songs with diffrent scales
so i reckon if u have good musical ear its enough not must check evry sample unless thats exacly what u want
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Oct 16, 2007 14:15
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On 2007-10-15 23:59, avduka wrote:
I have read many times over that the kick and bass should be in key or something sensible. I don't understand music theory. I have tried reading but cant make too much sense of it. Can someone explain what it means to have the kick and bass in the same key? What about other elements of the track, should they be in key also? I read that if you put your snares in the key makes the sound more alive. What is all this key talk, can someone explain?
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Google "key" and "music" and try to use your brain, the answers you'll find via Google are the same as those you will get here. You still need to read and undertand them. What it basicly boils down to for psytrance production is: it's worth fiddling around with the pitch of your kick and bass so that they sound good together.
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Oct 16, 2007 15:22
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Avduka,
With respect to pitched instruments (ie they have distinct notes like 'a' or 'g#'), playing in key is very important to keep elements sounding good. While going out of key can be a good trick, usually you want to be in the same key or it will sound like the DJ is mixing in a new song.
Oh, and to clarify: people use 'in the key of' and 'scale' interchangeably. Technically, to be 'in the key' is to have the same tonic, ie the lowest note in the scale is A and you write a lead that has A most prominent - they are in the same key.
But usually people also mean the scale as well. The 'key' indicates on which note the scale starts and the 'scale' indicates what notes follow the key.
So when you write music you're looking to have the same tonic (root note, most common note, etc) as well as use the same notes to match the scale.
Ok, so blah blah blah about pitched instruments, it's all one thing.
But percussion is usually not pitched, there is no discernable prominent pitch in the sound. Think a snare made from white noise, or a hihat. Sometimes there are prominent pitches, but usually there are a number of pitches within the percussive sound that may or may not sound good within your song. A kickdrum usually has one main pitch, but it's not as prominent as the 'oomph' part (all the bass). This is why people say to just adjust the kick's pitch while listening to the bass and do it by ear. Same for all your other percussion elements.
1) pick good samples that sound 'in key/scale' with your track.
2) adjust their pitch slightly to get them to sit well with your bassline.
3) add effects/EQ to make better
It's as easy as pie! Psychedelic pie though, which means baking on a head full of psychedelics. Good luck!
(patiently awaits correction on music theory from all those folks who know more about it)
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brasirc
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Posted : Oct 16, 2007 16:12
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hehehe...that remembers me of some professional musicians i met...
they play around with each other figuring out the note of a fart someone releases..
hows that for good ears =p
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 16, 2007 17:52
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 03:13
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makus
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 14:47
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On 2007-10-17 03:13, Fragletrollet wrote:
music is like meditation... noone can tell u how to do it, and if they try to, you will probably find your own way anyways.
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hehe, good words, i like it, though it can be explained more or less, everyone who goes further then just installing cubase/reason/fruity loops to fresh up boring weekends finds his own way to make music. anyways, before he finds it there are hours/days/weeks/years of explaining. more or less.
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Suloo
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 17:20
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Hey...if you like you could check out melodyne...it shows you the key of every sample..and then go like bounce your kick and your bass together to one file..put it in melodyne and you will know the key of it..then you know in wich key you should set up all the other sound..
use you ear for percussions...but its quite helpfull to set up the melodies pads and stuff like that in the same key as your bass and kick..you could even just check your bass if its a sample to find out the key..then check the kick and transpose it..that they fit togheter..but to transpose a kick often destroys the sound of kick..so maybe transpose the bass to the key of the kick...it doesn`t have to be the same note...just one that fits in accord of the key of your kick..hope you got what i mean...
otherwise just reply..
have fun..
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jivamukti
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 19:03
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On 2007-10-17 03:13, Fragletrollet wrote:
music is like meditation... noone can tell u how to do it, and if they try to, you will probably find your own way anyways.
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Um, fuzzikitten did explain it.
When rain dries, clouds form.
When clouds moisten, rain forms. |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 22:43
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On 2007-10-17 03:13, Fragletrollet wrote:
music is like meditation... noone can tell u how to do it, and if they try to, you will probably find your own way anyways.
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I like the metaphore you've made... and like it so much that I would like to develop it just a little bit if you don't mind
If making music and/or meditating is something that you do for a number of hours daily or weakly... than you're not making a music nor you're meditating. Both music and meditation should be the WAY YOU ACT rather than something you do for a period of time when you're not doing anything else or with a goal to achieve something. Life is a constant stream and so should be both music and meditation. Otherwise they separate us from life rather than making our life more joyful.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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soulfood
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 23:15
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When it comes to tuning a kick to a bass don't worry with music theory, as it's fairly irrelevant. Just pitch the kick to the timbre where it grooves the nicest and sounds the most connected to the kick. |
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Alias
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 08:31
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