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Would you really take a hardware synth above softsynths?
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Djones
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Posted : Jul 12, 2006 12:02
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Since a couple of weeks now, I own an Access Virus B desktop synth.
I had all the imaginations of it, thinking it was going to blow away all my softsynths.
But now since I've had it for a couple of weeks, I don't really am that convinced it sounds better than Vemberaudio Surge, Z3ta or Absynth, which I had already.
And on top of that programming the synth with all it's internal effects and modulation routings is quite an exhausting proces.
Btw, I'm real lazy when it comes to making music, and right now, with this synth I feel like I'm not getting anywhere.
What do you think I should do?
Keep it for a while and should I try to get myself starting to work with it.
Or should I sell it? |
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 12, 2006 12:23
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you need time to make good patch with it,maybe don t sell it now but wait a few months ,if you dont like the sound,sell it. |
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dtd
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Posted : Jul 12, 2006 13:23
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i like the human-machine interface of 'hands-on' work that hardware gear provides. i don't like tweaking with the mouse at all. ok, there are many hw controllers available, but that's not as confortable as a user interface per hw synth.
p.s why are you lazy? if you like making music, you shouldn't be! |
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Djones
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Posted : Jul 12, 2006 14:31
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Why I'm lazy?
Sometimes it's just too much effort to get something to sound the way I like it, and then lazyness kicks in.
It has probably also got to do with my perfectionism.
I just can't finish things off.
I run into a wall, and as soon as I think I will, when I know I'm not going to succeed makes me not wanting to do it (lazy).
And especially when I have to dig real deep to get what I want, then it's usually too much for me to handle.
Sometimes I wish I could produce while improvising.
That's what I liked best when I play Piano. |
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Jul 12, 2006 19:23
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Djones,
you should toy around with it for a few months and make a soundbank of your own, then when inspiration hits, you can use it!
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fregle
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Posted : Jul 12, 2006 19:28
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what i think u should do is start with a simpler hardware synth... The virus really does have the potential to blow u away, but if i read ur post i get the impression that it's a little over ur head right now... I had the same problem with my waldorf pulse when i started out (first synth i bought, when i didn't know shit about synthesizing yet), and now, years of experience later, i love it to death... And the pulse isn't even as complex as the virus... Start with a simple hardware synth like the korg EA-1 to get used to working with hardware, and if u truely have the feeling that u know everything there is to know about that very simple synth (be honest with youreself, i once had a visitor who said that he was ready for his virus and that he had it with all those simple synths, and in the end i noticed that he didn't even know what a modulation matrix is, let alone how to use his virus, he wasn't even able to use my EA-1 properly (just turned knobs randomly), he didn't even know what ring modulation was... this is a very extreme example ofcourse... but people like that exist), start again with the virus... And it will all be a whooooole lot more intuitive to u... And u will be able to work much faster to the goal u want to reach...
That being said, absynth and zeta are synths that are more complex then the virus, so if u really know those synths already there is no reason why u shouldn't adapt to the virus quickly...
also, the manual of the virus is VERY usefull for learning how to use it... |
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Djones
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Posted : Jul 12, 2006 21:35
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The Virus isn't over my head.
I know quite well how to work with the modulation matrixes etc.
It's just that I have to go thru the screens one by one and push the buttons on the Virus to get what I want takes quite some time.
And if the Virus is eventually not going to satisfy me more than my Vst synths, than what reasons are left for keeping this synth?
I'm totally adapted to software synths with all the options right in front of me and easy to edit.
But if I could get some decent software editor for my Virus, it would help a lot. |
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Synoptic
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 01:59
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I think you should keep working with the virus a bit longer, it always takes a bit of time to feel comfortable with something especially if you are used to softsynths. I like improvising while mixing and find this easier using the front panel on the h/w synth than using a mouse or controller. The controller movements are also sent out as midi so you can record it in the sequencer and tweak it later with the mouse if you want. Another advantage is it will never run out of memory or crash your computer. There is a librarian & s/w editor avialable for the virus "Soundriver" free from access website.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 05:27
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On 2006-07-12 14:31, Djones wrote:
Why I'm lazy?
Sometimes it's just too much effort to get something to sound the way I like it, and then lazyness kicks in.
It has probably also got to do with my perfectionism.
I just can't finish things off.
I run into a wall, and as soon as I think I will, when I know I'm not going to succeed makes me not wanting to do it (lazy).
And especially when I have to dig real deep to get what I want, then it's usually too much for me to handle.
Sometimes I wish I could produce while improvising.
That's what I liked best when I play Piano.
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Latley i been trying to struggle more, and man its rewarding.....
anyway, read the manual, play around. and judge by your self if the sound is worth the work you have to put in to it.
why not just start a track with some cool preset, and make your first virus track..
i think you can improvise alot.. 
thats why exporting things when you are done with them is a good thing, and if you have to do it again you know what the problem of the sound was.. sometimes that can take a while...
anyway, i like synths that are hands on, and not much fuzz around in menues.. but if the synth sounds good it can be worth the effort..
happy tweaking
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 07:34
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just as you stated get a editor for it emagic sound diver and it would do just that and more if u got or plan to get more gear... chek it out and inform urself and if ur fealing lazy then just stop and program midi parts... something that puzzles me is how can u not come up with a cool patch with the virus???
so easy.... just turn the knobs radomly with ur eyes closed... LOL i think it's ur programming. cool sounds are created when ur modulating or automating in dat midi grid hehe otherwise the sound is dead you have to make that sucker breathe..tweaking the knobs and programming the right notes BOOM |
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reptilian agenda
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 09:48
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i just use my virus c to record sounds (not midi very often)...i find it very fast and easy to make squelches, squaks, grinds, pads etc then use a sampler. It would take much longer to make these kinda tweaky sounds through automation.. so flip on your recording software, tweak like a mother fucker, then chop it up and keep all the insane wicked sounds. throw out the rest. (and don't forget to remember what key it's in |
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fregle
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 14:44
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On 2006-07-12 21:35, Djones wrote:
The Virus isn't over my head.
I know quite well how to work with the modulation matrixes etc.
It's just that I have to go thru the screens one by one and push the buttons on the Virus to get what I want takes quite some time.
And if the Virus is eventually not going to satisfy me more than my Vst synths, than what reasons are left for keeping this synth?
I'm totally adapted to software synths with all the options right in front of me and easy to edit.
But if I could get some decent software editor for my Virus, it would help a lot.
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i understand that the virus doesn't have a knob for every parameter and that that can be frustrating... But u can simply use ur midi-controller to control all the parameters that are only accessible via the shift key or the menus. Do that and u have even more controls for ur virus then u have for ur softsynths (softsynths don't have they're own knobs like the virus). stick some notes next to the knobs on ur midicontroller so u know what controls what, and u have all the parameters nicely laid out in front of u... The only problem we have left then is that the virus doesn't have a good visual way of showing u how the modulation matrix is configured... The only sollution i have for that problem is writing it down in a txt file... Which is not a good solution, i know that... |
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pH_
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Posted : Jul 13, 2006 22:04
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On 2006-07-12 13:23, dtd wrote:
i like the human-machine interface of 'hands-on' work that hardware gear provides. i don't like tweaking with the mouse at all. ok, there are many hw controllers available, but that's not as confortable as a user interface per hw synth.
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i agree. i find tweaking hw synth much easier and faster than soft... my only problem with hw is the fact that i cant use it with fl....
unless there is some secret hidden way to use hardware synth with FL6 ? |
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Jul 14, 2006 01:01
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just sell of the thing man ... SOFT SYNTHS RULE ... easy to program and fun to use  |
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Elad
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Posted : Jul 14, 2006 08:22
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On 2006-07-12 12:02, Djones wrote:
What do you think I should do?
Keep it for a while and should I try to get myself starting to work with it.
Or should I sell it?
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defintly sell it , to me (half price)
i think realy you should make your own bank , then make a track or 2 with those , and you might notice that it sounds better actualy for some sounds characters then any other 
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