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emilybobemily
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Catatonic_Despair
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 05:40
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On 2009-08-17 20:57, f.u.nabi.k wrote:
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On 2009-08-14 23:29, King Salmon wrote:
Catatonic Despair was my favorite, though I missed Secret Society and Dylalien. Really minimal, the most bass-heavy music I have ever heard, pretty much all bass and a tiny bit of highs. A little slow, very hypnotic, and I don't even like other hypnotic/atmospheric acts like Atriohm. You really need a good sound system to appreciate it; if you tried to play it on your home system you might not even hear anything.
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Hey Mr.Salmon .... your review is confsuing and does not make any sense...You call it music??? Bass and tiny bit of highs.....no man this is not music this is noise/experimental....not dancable at all and as you correctly said cannot hear anything. C.D. is a raw badly composed and mastered noise experiment...no heart and no mind. just bambambam. And what if the sound system at the party is not a good one???What to do then?? Then C.D. would sound really shitty according to you.
Your comments sound snobbish. Atriohm is a masterpieace compared to C.D. Real talented composers and good quality of sound.
As of Catatonic Despair (C.D.) for sure he must learn more theory and practice making sound more before playing his sets. Good Luck and thanx for a great party!
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Well, now, where to begin in response to what is clearly a badly composed and heartless response to mine and other peoples music that dares to challenge the accepted trends or cookie-cutter recipes that are nothing more than a disease of any musical genre. Indeed, genres are part of the disease or become such over time as do all categories with people's laziness or unwillingness to analyze anything on individual or isolated levels.
So, with that little opener let me proceed with the dissection of your post Mr. F.U. Nabi K.
Let us start with your user name. Clearly this is meant to evoke some sort of anger or offense towards Nabi Records and everything they represent. With this said, we can tentatively conclude that you have deep hatred for any music that is 1) innovative or at least different than most everything else that has yet to be presented or does not fully conform with your rules or tastes 2) genuinely dark music or music that is intended to be played at night time for people who are not afraid to take the introspective and occasionally nightmarish journey into or outside of themselves.
Moving on to the next point. You refer to my music as experimental/noise. The first part of this is correct, but the second is completely wrong if in fact you are referring to the genre. If you wish to familiarize yourself with what Noise actually is please listen to Infect Insect or Ezotera or countless other innovators in this vein. After you have taken the time to actually educate yourself please make a proper comparison to what is actually known as Noise and my music. You will find there is very little in common here. Furthermore, you state that any music consisting of mostly bass and a few highs is not music or musical. I would recommend you study Psytekk to alleviate this confusion and particularly you should listen to X-Dream: Irritant and then CPC: Uber Den Angst. This is a clear path of style blurring between these two examples and they are both brilliant, widely celebrated albums. Yes, my music is an experiment. Indeed, every track I do is an experiment and if you ask anyone that I have spoken to at length regarding music they will confirm that I refer to tracks as experiments. If you are confused by this then clearly to make a better effort at removing your head from the sand. Do this now, before we move forward please because things are just starting to get fun.
Okay, now to get the parts that actually offended me in your post. You dare to suggest that my music and by extension anyone's music that dares to be different or challenging is not danceable. Let just me say that this is not the first and regrettably will probably not be the last time I heard this statement. Nevertheless, it continues to baffle me with its profound idiocy and arrogance.
My philosophy is that there are two components of psychedelic dance music. The first is the kick/bass and some elements of some rhythms. I define these as the physical elements of a track which is meant to move the body and any movement made in response to this is called...wait for it...dancing.
Now, again I must refer you to other witnesses who actually LISTEN to my music and they will tell you that I am quite conservative with this portion of my tracks. This is because, according to my philosophy, the body must first be occupied in order to open the mind. This leads to the remainder of a given track which I define as the psychological, mental, or spiritual portion. The intent or purpose of this is self-explanatory by the words I just used in reference thereto.
This approach, like any other, is not universally true or applicable and I, being the open-minded person that I am, do not apply it as such but it does provide a good foundation to work from and at key moments it can be departed from completely to work on a dancefloor's collective psyche from an entirely different angle. What this means is that people can and do ignore or even miss entirely certain elements of a track but can and do continue to dance to the kick/bass and rhythms. It is my opinion that only after graduating to a level where you can process the WHOLE that a true state of ACTIVE MEDITATION becomes possible.
Next point. You say that my music is badly composed and mastered. I will be sure, if I can ascertain your true identity, to inform Preference Mastering and Psychovsky that you think their mastering is abyssmal. I am sure they will be completely heart broken by this. I mean we would not want anyone mastering music that actually knows how to work with lower end frequencies rather than cut them completely out of the tracks. Such a travesty!
Phew...this is fun. THEN, after all this grammarless, baseless nonsense you have the guts to say that my music has no heart or mind!? Let me be clear here, I have more passion and dedication and research put into this culture and the music then people such as yourself ever will. You genre-worshipping, stuck up, cowardly, egostical yuppies are a plague for the psychedelic community as a whole. You do not belong in it simply because your grossly-inflated ego prevents you from fathoming its most basic and elementary concepts. Please take yourself back to your preppy, boring, soulless house/anthem-based/ibizan trash clubs and stay there...forever. I do not need theory to make music but I have been studying it on and off. I prefer to use instinct and listen to my HEART when CREATING music rather than following some long-established set of rules.
Okay, then, now that this cleared up I would like to just say that I do not think I am THE answer to what is plaguing the trance scene. I will only say that I and others who are joining with me or have similar feelings are choosing to innovate by presenting music that challenges both the BODIES and MINDS of those who take the timeor have the capability to PROCESS it. The answer or cure to these fundamental issues is to stop supporting these people who insist on pumping out endless streams of cloned tracks just as I did more than two years ago by not buying their CDs or going to their parties. If you want something different you must demand because the DJs and Artists who incessantly vomit up this crap continue to do so because they are ALLOWED to by us, the listeners and dancers, regardless of their arrogant notion that they own the dancefloors.
Peace,
Catatonic D.
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emilybobemily
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 06:14
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SNAP.
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emilybobemily
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@ktif
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 18:08
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I listened to everyone's set that night in it's entirety, and in regards to Catatonic Despair's creations, they were "raw" Power, imo ! I made several comments on some of my observations, and concluded that he gains most of that power through the RESTRAINT of certain layers and frequencies ... On a sound system like that, you can feel the bending of layers and such in fine detail.. Then it becomes obvious what this style is all about, in my opinion of course , "Restraint" ! unbelievable ! I've listened to all of C.D.'s released material and loved it from a distance and even played it out a few times, but to have creator and creation showcased the way it was, I was truly amazed at the style and power that Tony has created.
I think it offers a lot to the late night experience and I look forward to his future releases and "experiments" ! heh heh .. Keep up the great work Tony !
Cheers man !
 New Album : Spirals of Time : Now Available !
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emilybobemily
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 18:10
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well said indeed.
I found the set to be ideal for stompery and enjoyable to listen to.
not too terrifying to send the weak of heart fleeing into the woods, just right for night time ground pounding with sinister undertones.
there was much twitching and ass shaking. and it was good. |
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 19:17
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hehe I saw quite a few people leave the dancefloor and have to sit outside of the sound field to take a step back from where despair was taking them mentally. Perception changes time to time...
Tony my man, that was well written! I will walk beside you on this mission to reintegrate the challenging....
F.U.N.A.B.I.K - FACE! lolz
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FattyAcid
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 23:24
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psilopsyben
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Posted : Aug 19, 2009 00:03
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way late...I know, but holy hell that was fucking amazing. It really changed the way I think about a lot of things. I thoroughly enjoyed hanging out with all your crazy ass's and can't wait to do it again. |
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Those People
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Posted : Aug 19, 2009 01:25
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On 2009-08-19 00:03, psilopsyben wrote:
way late...I know, but holy hell that was fucking amazing. It really changed the way I think about a lot of things. I thoroughly enjoyed hanging out with all your crazy ass's and can't wait to do it again.
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we'll just need to have you back real soon  thanks for coming and working us out...village drunks!
"KEEP IT GOAN!!!"
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Nabi-Records
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Posted : Aug 19, 2009 01:28
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On 2009-08-17 20:57, f.u.nabi.k wrote:
Hey Mr.Salmon .... your review is confsuing and does not make any sense...You call it music??? Bass and tiny bit of highs.....no man this is not music this is noise/experimental....not dancable at all and as you correctly said cannot hear anything. C.D. is a raw badly composed and mastered noise experiment...no heart and no mind. just bambambam. And what if the sound system at the party is not a good one???What to do then?? Then C.D. would sound really shitty according to you.
Your comments sound snobbish. Atriohm is a masterpieace compared to C.D. Real talented composers and good quality of sound.
As of Catatonic Despair (C.D.) for sure he must learn more theory and practice making sound more before playing his sets. Good Luck and thanx for a great party!
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F.U.NABI.K = great user name. How long did it took you to find it? I just wonder who you are? First I though maybe you are a poor molested child, abused for year by his daddy, uncle, nephew, neighbors and just anyone passing by, taking advantages of your poor little tight asshole. Then I reconsider it and in a second thought, maybe you are one of the kid high on ecstasy we have been rejecting because just having a PC with a cracked Cubase and some cheap VSTi does not mean your are talented. Finally I came to the conclusion that you must be a little of both: ass raped not talented kid who, unfortunately, thinks he's got some talentt when the sad true is that you only have one: your poor little ass to be given away for free. My friendly advice: get a good rope, find a strong tree branch and just hang yourself while listening to Atriohm to put an end to your life of misery with joy. |
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bastardsamadhi
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Posted : Aug 19, 2009 01:59
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wow, this thread is nutz.
WB5 should be fun, k thnx bai? 
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sage2012
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On 2009-08-19 01:28, Nabi-Records wrote:
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On 2009-08-17 20:57, f.u.nabi.k wrote:
Hey Mr.Salmon .... your review is confsuing and does not make any sense...You call it music??? Bass and tiny bit of highs.....no man this is not music this is noise/experimental....not dancable at all and as you correctly said cannot hear anything. C.D. is a raw badly composed and mastered noise experiment...no heart and no mind. just bambambam. And what if the sound system at the party is not a good one???What to do then?? Then C.D. would sound really shitty according to you.
Your comments sound snobbish. Atriohm is a masterpieace compared to C.D. Real talented composers and good quality of sound.
As of Catatonic Despair (C.D.) for sure he must learn more theory and practice making sound more before playing his sets. Good Luck and thanx for a great party!
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F.U.NABI.K = great user name. How long did it took you to find it? I just wonder who you are? First I though maybe you are a poor molested child, abused for year by his daddy, uncle, nephew, neighbors and just anyone passing by, taking advantages of your poor little tight asshole. Then I reconsider it and in a second thought, maybe you are one of the kid high on ecstasy we have been rejecting because just having a PC with a cracked Cubase and some cheap VSTi does not mean your are talented. Finally I came to the conclusion that you must be a little of both: ass raped not talented kid who, unfortunately, thinks he's got some talentt when the sad true is that you only have one: your poor little ass to be given away for free. My friendly advice: get a good rope, find a strong tree branch and just hang yourself while listening to Atriohm to put an end to your life of misery with joy.
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