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Troll@CrackWhoreModels
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 08:35
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Today,1 dec is the world AIDS day!
FN has this year focused on women & HIV to rise the eyes of the world on thoose horrible situantions that AIDS/Hiv cause for millions of the worlds women.
Today,20 years after we got aware of the sickness allmost ½ of the 40 mill. infected adults are women.
Thats a pretty big number compared to in 1997, 41 % women where infected.
In Africa,south for sahara the women counts 57% of the infected women and for girls between 15 & 19 years old the risc of getting infected is 3 times higher than with a male at same age.
Alot of places in the world diskrimination, violence, lack of rights and education is taking part of damageing the women vulnerability to AIDS.
Its nessarry to take care of theese problems when we are fighting AIDS/Hiv.
Fight Back
AIDS Kills generations of Women,girls,Men and boys world wide
be a part of taking care of it,where the needle,put stickers with solgans up,Speak to people about it and light a candle for those we have lost.
protect yourself - where a rubber doing sex
http://www.unaids.org/wac2004/index_en.htm
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Pointy
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 12:39
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Yeah, RavingLoon, it is a shame, that there are people in this world suffereing from breakdown of their immune system and they do definetely deserve support and help.
One thing though is, that there are different reasons why hiv antibodies can appear in the body and also different reasons for the immune system breaking down. The connection between hiv and aids is imo not as clear and easy as it seems.
The president of SouthAfrica as well as people of the gay movement in SanFrancisco do actually believe, that aids is not a result of having hiv antibodies in your bloodsystem, but is connected to the medication the people get provided by the big pharma companies. Some even doubt, that the hiv virus actually exists.
I have been trying to find a picture of it and could only find one single one, which doesn't look anything like other pictures of viruses, but rather like a job in photoshop. 
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Dragongurl
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 07:19
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zooter
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 08:43
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Pointy
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 10:20
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Dragongurl, I have seen pictures like the ones you posted here before. They are not pictures of the actual hiv virus, they are pictures of cells, which are attackt by the hiv virus (or so they say).
It says on the description of the pic in the petech link, that the large pink body is the human cell and that the blue dots are the hiv virus. (I didn't want to sign up in the medscape site, so I couldn't get access, but also that picture is an affected cell, not the virus itself, I am quite certain. The third link didn't work)
As I said, from what I can find there is no close up picture of the hiv virus, only computerimages and pictures of cells, that are attackt by the virus and only shows little dots of what is supposed to be the virus itself.
I am still not convinced.
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Dragongurl
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Posted : Dec 3, 2004 07:25
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Pointy
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Posted : Dec 4, 2004 19:58
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I looked up the pic in your first link in the Public Health Image Library ( http://phil.cdc.gov/Phil/detail.asp?id=1843 ).
When you read the title/description of the pic, you will see, that the big cell on the photo is a human cell. The hiv virus are the little dots on the cell surface.
Again, this is not a close-up of the hiv virus.
Look for example at this picture of different viruses: http://phil.cdc.gov/Phil/detail.asp?id=2171
These are proper pictures of isolated viruses, without a human cell.
I still believe, that no such picture of the hiv virus exists and I find that rather strange.
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blueOrb
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Posted : Dec 5, 2004 10:42
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@pointy
hey u have put me into some serious thought about this issue now..........i never knew such views even existed......would love to read a bit more about this.......any links pointy??.........
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Pointy
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Posted : Dec 6, 2004 21:08
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Hi blue orb, there are many links about the question if there is a connection between HIV and AIDS. Many scientists are claiming, that there is no actual proof for that to be found.
Here is one example:
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/aids.htm
The BBC does write about a proof of a connection in the following link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/720773.stm
"Proof
AZT, the first anti-HIV drug to be developed, significantly reduces the rate of transmission of HIV from mothers to their babies."
I find that is a rather non convincing proof myself.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 6, 2004 23:10
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Well dodgy that BBC would present that as "proof".
I read about this views before, and that article just confirmed it for me.
I mean really, the reason for them giving the drugs in the first place was that it should kill off T-cells with the viral infection, and therefore stop the speading of the HIV virus in the body.
Now if there was no proven link between the HIV virus and AIDS, why was the drug used at all in the first place.
You just don't start developing a multitude of drugs against a disease when you do not know what is causing it. First you find proof of what bacteria or virus is behind the disease and then you develop drugs.
AZT surely have not been very sucessful, and to claim that it's efficiency is proof of HIV being the cause of AIDS simply seems like desperate propaganda.
An alternative scientific view of AZT can be found here: http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/epazt2.htm
Although a bit to scientific it raises both the issue of that there is no picture of the virus and that the proof of the link between HIV and AIDS has not been determined before the development of the drugs.
I copied the conclusion the paper comes to:
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the inescapable conclusion is that AZT, as given to patients, cannot have an anti-HIV affect. How is it then possible to reconcile this fact with the claim that AZT is an anti-HIV drug?
The only way of proving the antiretroviral effect of AZT is to determine its effect on HIV isolated from tissues of infected, treated patients. The correct procedure, used for over half a century to achieve isolation of retroviruses (64,65), requires:
1. Culture of putatively infected tissues.
2. Purification of specimens by density gradient ultracentrifugation.
3. Electron micrographs of particles exhibiting the morphological characteristics and dimensions of retroviral particles at the sucrose density gradient of 1.16 gm/ml containing nothing else, not even particles of other morphologies or dimensions.
4. Proof that such particles contain reverse transcriptase.
5. Analysis of the particles' proteins and RNA, and proof that these are unique.
6. Proof that 1–5 are properties only of putatively infected tissues and cannot be induced in control cultures.
7. Proof that such particles replicate into identical particles and are thus infectious.
This procedure has never been used to prove the antiretroviral effects of AZT, or for any other purpose, including proving the existence of HIV.
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There is to my knowledge no documents prooving the link between HIV and AIDS. There has been several studies about it of course, but the don't stand up to scientific scrutiny.
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