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Imperets
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Posted : Jun 21, 2010 20:51:43
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Ever since I switched to logic 9, my production efficiency declined drastically. If in Live 8 on a PC it took me about a week to put together a track, with Logic 9 it takes a month. Why?
I use all hardware and Logic's interface makes the whole process fucking cumbersome. One of the most heavily used pieces of equipment in my studio is Virus TI. Now, in order to bounce the Virus' MIDI into audio, I have to:
-Put Logic in the solo mode
-Select the MIDI region I want to bounce
-Press "Bounce"
-Name the file
-Bounce it to some folder in REAL TIME (!!!)
-Look for that folder in Logic's browser
-Drag it to the arrangement screen.
7 Steps!
In Live 8 I had to:
1) Route the Virus' track to an audio track (maybe four or five mouse clicks)
2) Record
2 Steps!
Another example.
Reversing an audio track in Logic:
-Open the waveform in the Sample editor
-Select the region I want to reverse
-Save that region as a separate audio file in some folder
-Find that audio file in the browser
-Drag it to the arrangement screen
-Open the sample editor
-Go to one of those submenus and reverse the waveform DESTRUCTIVELY (!!!)
In Live 8:
-Select the region I want to reverse
-Press "Reverse" in the sample editor. The reverse is non-destructive.
In order to record a MIDI arrangement of my analogue synth I also have to put logic in the solo mode, so no other MIDI is recorded to the audio track I choose. If the MIDI track and the audio track are far apart, it becomes very inconvenient. Here's how it goes:
-Put Logic in the solo mode
-Record arm the audio file
-Start recording
-Before recording hits the MIDI arrangement I have to click on the said arrangement, so it's soloed.
-Exit the solo mode and mute the MIDI.
As a result, the process of music composition becomes frustrating and not at all enjoyable.
These are only a couple of examples I can think of right now. If anybody uses Logic and a Virus TI or other hardware, please share your workflow. Maybe I'm doing something fundamentally wrong.
Thank you!
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Greententacle
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Posted : Jun 21, 2010 23:13
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Route Virus ti to a new bus
Create new audio track
Select bus as input for your audio track
Record
For reverse in logic, yes its a bit fucktup but:
Select the file you want revers
Turn into new audio file ( audio - region(s) into new audiofile(s)), now it must be in the same place in the arangement than before)
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Trip-
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Posted : Jun 21, 2010 23:27
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what greententacle said and also:
I didn't understand the last steps when you record an external source. Why do you solo the MIDI? Are many MIDI channels playing at the same time on the synth?
If you still need to solo a region, just solo it - don't think it's any more different than other sequencers. Same goes for muting the MIDI region when you don't want it to play anymore.
About the reverse issue,
It is a destructive process... But I believe logic 9 creates a copy of the file you are working on, so the original will not be affected.
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Greententacle
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Posted : Jun 22, 2010 00:18
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About the reverse issue,
It is a destructive process... But I believe logic 9 creates a copy of the file you are working on, so the original will not be affected.
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not when you turn it in a new audioregion before
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 22, 2010 00:48
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In response to the workflow issue, Logic is not the most immediate in audio editing.
But I gain a lot more time getting sounds I really like, using its native plug ins, than using something reverses a sample, non-destructively.
Its all personal preference, if you feel you don;t get enough out of using Logic, use something that suits your way of working, more.
Peace out.
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PsyGalaXy
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Posted : Jun 22, 2010 03:04
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Imperets
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Posted : Jun 22, 2010 08:09
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I didn't understand the last steps when you record an external source. Why do you solo the MIDI? Are many MIDI channels playing at the same time on the synth?
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Okay. Yes I usually do have 2 or more midi arrangements playing at the same time. The drum machine keeps going all time and on top of that there's midi for the analogue synths and such. So, say, if I wanted to record only the synth but not the drum machine, it's not enough to just solo the synth's track. I have to hit 'S' so Logic is in the solo mode, then I hit record and I get four clicks before it's actually recording the midi, right. During those four clicks I have to locate my MIDI region and click on it, so it's truly soloed. Only then the synth's midi is recorded without any other midi (like the drum machine). I sound complicated, I know.
So imagine this: you have a 909 and a Moog. You have the 909 stay as MIDI until the end of the track, because there is no need to change its sounds. You'd be happy to have the Moog to remain MIDI also, but you need to record different sounds from it, for instance, a bassline and a lead. Now, you build your song section by section (as opposing to layer by layer). So imagine you're making the intro for you track, and that intro has both a lead sound and a bassline. Both of them come from the Moog. The steps would be:
-Make a midi arrangement for your bassline
-Record it
-Make a midi arrangement for your leads
-Record it
Then you move to the next section and repeat. This is my workflow. Is there a better way to go about it? Is there a way to specify what midi track you want to record without soloing anything? Like in Live?
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Route Virus ti to a new bus
Create new audio track
Select bus as input for your audio track
Record
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I believe this only works when the Virus is in the Audio Out mode. In this mode any midi records with horrible latency, so I'd have to manually move it after it's been recorded. I Live 8 I was able to do the same in the USB Out mode, which records dead on. I'd rather deal with the realtime bouncing than having to fix the latency. UNLESS, I'm doing something wrong again. Am I?
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not when you turn it in a new audioregion before
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What do you mean?  I tried copying a region and then reversing a section of it, but it reverses the same section in every copy of that region. Does that make sense?
I do enjoy the features of Logic, but it just seems like it wasn't made for working with several external MIDI devices.
Is ProTools more hardware friendly? I just can't switch back to Live after seeing what Logic can do. If I only used software, Logic would be awesome, but I don't use any (unless it's effects or processing).
I build my tracks section by section, not layer by layer. Is this an efficient way to build a track? Should I revise my workflow?
Thanks for your replies. I really appreciate them.
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Trip-
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Posted : Jun 22, 2010 15:35
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"I believe this only works when the Virus is in the Audio Out mode."
If it's a virtual instrument it doesn't matter if it's Virus or ES2 or EVP. A channel is a channel - it plays what is plays.
you route it wherever you want... let's say a Bus...
The Bus can be used as an input for an audio channel - now you can record the input of the channel. Simple.
"During those four clicks I have to locate my MIDI region and click on it, so it's truly soloed."
About the Solo issue, it sounds like you're doing too many things for a simple solo. I don't really know your setup so I cannot give you a proper advice.
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Imperets
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Posted : Jun 22, 2010 17:31
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If it's a virtual instrument it doesn't matter if it's Virus or ES2 or EVP. A channel is a channel - it plays what is plays.
you route it wherever you want... let's say a Bus...
The Bus can be used as an input for an audio channel - now you can record the input of the channel. Simple.
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I see. This is very helpful. When I first got Logic, I contacted Access with this inquiry and for some reason they told me to bounce the track, without mentioning how to reroute it. Now I know.
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Trip-
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Posted : Jun 24, 2010 11:39
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Those Access guys... what do they know, right?
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