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Windows Vista Notebook or Macbook?
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tokolosxi
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Posted : May 23, 2008 06:27
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All my friends who have changed to Vista are having major issues.....Honestly.....is there anybody running Vista without any problems???? No answers from Vista reps or promotors please....you just make it look worse for Microsoft....hehehe.
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dendy(ray_subject)
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Posted : May 23, 2008 09:16
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okay... to be honestly... i'm running on vista 2 months and i had ONE problem at the start after i bought new ntb with vista preinstalled ... no drivers for my old soundcard ESI QUATAFIRE 610... so i sold it ..
...but! i think this is NOT blame of micro$oft - but a blame of ESI that they are lazy or worthless to create driver for their product - i will never buy other product from ESI, they custommer suport is zero.
i read lot of comments like "vista sucks" "vista isn't good for daw" .. but almost nowhere i can't find some real facts WHY it sucks, why it is don't useable for daw... some concrete examples what doesn't work, what is wrong, what works better in XP...
i still wonder, maybe it's miracle and maybe i have special edition of Vista optimised for DAW  ).. my cubase4 works BETTER in vista than in XP .. that's solid fact for me - lower latency, more stability...
after 2 months of work i get NO ONE system freeze, thats also solid fact for me.
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Brain Hacked
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Posted : May 24, 2008 04:12
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U have a point dendy!! id like to know specific facts about why vista sucks as DAW, its obvious if u install xp apps that they might not work..personally ive never used vista as DAW ive just used it for some minutes and found it frustrating, too slow, even tho the lap top had 2 gb ram, the security questions annoyed me (if i realle wanted to install something) and mmmm task manager is no longer 1 shortrcut close(ctrl+alt+supreme) now this brings a new windows asking me for 4 different tasks(turn pc off, hibernate, task manager anf dont remember the other)
So as an OS sucked but as DAW i have no idea and would like to know why it sucks, facts specially |
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Tomos
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Posted : May 24, 2008 12:14
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Having to work with Vista, I have my own opinions.
To make it usable you have to turn all the VISTA features off, then what have you got.. essentially it's XP that takes up 5x as much drive space. What's the point!
Here are some of the inbuilt features, things you have to turn off to improve it, or stuff you are simply stuck with:
- System requirements. Saying you have a new computer with loads of power does not excuse the fast this OS is a hog.
To give you some idea of the evolution of operating systems (in the wrong direction) I went round to a house last week to replace an old computer - a 15 year old 386 with 2MB of Ram and a 20MB hard disk, running windows 3.1. From turning the computer on, seeing the BIOS and then starting Windows 3 desktop was less than 5 seconds!!
What has gone wrong when a computer needs 1000x more memory and 4 processors. Is it 1000x better? For someone who wants to just type a letter and has no computer skill whatsoever - Vista is a slow torturous experience. From turning the machine on to starting Word takes a long time, and after a minute of being able to use the machine, it is still loading things in the background. The sidebar often appears randomly 5 minutes after seeing the desktop.
- Constant barrage of questions asking you if you REALLY want to open that program you JUST clicked on!
The security is NOT helpful, it is intimidating to new users and pointless for everyone else.
- Aero is rubbish - I need a 3D card to see my windows overlap each other in a transparent mess of blur. The effects takes up too much screen space, with all the slow fade in/out effects it feels slow, not responsive. The icons that come with the OS don't even match (they didn't in XP either) Some are 'Aero', some are 2D, some 3D, some are classic. It's like 4 different design teams with no communication built the interface.
If you're running a DAW you want maximum screen space, so you should be running Windows classic anyway.
- Useless features like the sidebar with a huge analogue clock and weather, when the time has always been in the bottom right of the screen and the weather is out the window.
- The start menu is a mess that reorganises itself.
- It's slow. Really slow. I don't know how you can say its faster that XP. With prefetch and indexing running the hard disk to hell, simple things like opening the start menu a take a few seconds. turning them off doesn't help.
- Lack of hardware support. Not completely the hardware manufacturers fault. Microsoft bring out an OS that is an overgrown XP and none of the old hardware works - why?
- They've renamed/removed things for NO reason. Where is Add/Remove programs? No right click > open with. ARggghhh Simplified menus, like in the new Office make me so angry.
- The improved security is non existent, I see viruses all the time, whatever they've added, it hasn't worked.
- Minor change to hardware causes the machine to fail to boot. Change the graphics card = bluescreen!
- Vista is listed in CNETS top ten worst tech products. It's provoked a campaign for its predecessor's reintroduction and continued support.
Windows 7 is coming out next year.
- Firefox runs better than IE7??
- DRM!!!
While searching for positive articles advocating Vista I came across a glowing review that listed one of the best features as 'more clearly defined and larger icons'. No.. it really ISN'T about bigger icons. That isn't a great OS feature. You could change the size of the icons in Windows 95.
What can you honestly say is different enough to warrant the change, what do you really need that it offers you just can't get anywhere else?
Give me one good answer and I'll shut the hell up.
If you're getting less latency in Vista, how much?
A few ms, is that making a huge difference?
This just about sums it up -
http://blip.tv/file/340692 |
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Brain Hacked
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Posted : May 24, 2008 15:25
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Thanks Tomos!!! i wished linux could be used as DAW im tired of looking fora lapt top (mac book pro is out of my budget).
I have last question..how can i know the exact model of the diferent devices(mobo,video) ltes say i want to buy vaio or hp, but those companies do not offer all drivers for xp, just some as i mentioned already.
I mean im between a vaio, but there is no mobo/chipset drivers for XP or an HP but there are no video drivers in the website.
Maybe by knowing the precise model i can get the drivers.
My last option is DELL but ive been already warned with firewire, powersuply issues. |
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Tomos
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Posted : May 24, 2008 15:45
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A lot of people seem happy with Vista. I have no right to tell them they are wrong.
After a week or so passes between the times I use it, I forget what my experience was like. Maybe I've been too harsh, maybe next time will be different..
I'm fixing a Vista laptop today, so far:
Copying files off the laptop onto my USB memory stick took 2 hours at about 400k/s (USB2 port). Copying the files back onto a Windows XP machine took under 10 minutes. ?? Copying files to different places, networked or local, even on the same drive is painfully slow.
I EVENTUALLY found the option that has been moved to change the workgroup so I could copy files to a local networked computer. But it wouldn't list the other computers in the network, only the media server ON the networked computer. Clicking that resulted in opening Windows Media Player ?!!
It takes so long to shutdown that I hold down the power button to turn it off in frustration.
Pressing the power button on the start menu of some machines brings up a dialogue asking if you want to restart, shutdown or stand by, on some it simply shuts down immediately. Being right at the bottom of the start menu you can hit it accidentally and turn off the computer.
Folder structure is missing by default, so you have to go up a directory, along and down again rather than see the structure.
So many thing.. so many idiotic design faults. |
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Cannabis
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Posted : May 24, 2008 22:02
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I use Vista/Vaio, no probs at all. needs some tweaking like disabling some services.
if you want a laptop JUST for live sets than get a Mac though, it needs less feedling and seems more stable. I bought a PC laptop coz I also produce on it and I have to rely on pc softwares.
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