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Wierd Cubase Issue??
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 11:40
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So weird shit's going on with Cubase SX3. This has happened to me before on another computer located on the other side of the country... And now it's happening here too and I don't know WTF is up.
I just installed cubase and my plugin library onto a new dual core machine, and was working on a track that I had started on my laptop and all the files for the track were on an external hard disk that I have been using for quite a bit. I started writing the track from the external, so it's location had not changed. I had loaded up the project the night before and had no issue running it on the dual core, even though I didn't work on it very heavily the night before. So I noticed that I was running low on space on the external so I decided to delete some of the older versions of some tracks before I had saved them to a new project folder on the hard disk. I managed to delete the Kontakt sampler instrument that I was using for my sampled bass for that track (oops). I decided to just make a new bassline with something else instead, so I went ahead and continued. After I made the new bass and stuff, I began skipping ahead in a few places in the track just to make sure the overall mix was still ok. All of a sudden, I get this sharp piercing white noise sound that basically clips the cubase mixer by 5 db and it plays for about less than a second and goes to the actual audio. So I go to investigate the channel, and see if there's some bad plugin on it. There aren't any plugins on that particular channel, so I then bounce the audio and replace it. Funny enough, the sound still happens in that same place, but now it's on a different channel! So I begin to think that maybe it's Kontakt, so I remove Kontakt from the project and test again... Still get the noise, and it's not happening at just that spot. It's happening any time I click in a different spot in the arrangement. Doesn't matter if its playing when I do it, or if I stop the playback, click on a different section of the arrangement and press play afterwards. Same sound, different channel. So I think it could be that the project is fucked, so I save to new folder, first time on the external, second time on the hard disk of the dual core machine. Same thing happens each time. Also the hard disk meter in cubase begins to spike and the volume bar hangs at clipping at 100db (by this time I had turned the sound waaaay down. So I think that maybe it's the plugins that I have on it, which really aren't too much, mainly delays and my plugin chain for my bass and kick. I remove all the plugins, and then again save to a new folder this time on another hard disk inside the computer. SAME PROBLEM... So by this time I'm completely freaking out, and plug the external back into my laptop. I open the project on the laptop and there's no issue at all... no noise, nothing...
So I do a save as on the project from my laptop, copy it onto a USB stick, then transfer it back to the desktop... still having the problem... So I do a bounce audio on all the audio, replacing them with new versions. Then I save to new folder, again. Same issue, but now the cpu is spiking at 100% (was 45%)I then remove all the plugins again, and it still has the issue and now the hd spikes and I get the cubase serious error msg telling me to save as a new version then cubase just hangs... I do the ctrl + alt+ delete to force quit cubase, but looking at the processing it's still there and the memory usage is like 454,000kb.
I finally broke down and removed all the plugins and Kontakt, and replaced the kontakt with battery. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to work either, I keep getting the cubase error msg, and the hard disk bar skyrockets and stays there. Even removing the kick and bass instuments aren't working.
Now I did mention this happened to me before. I had the same issue on someone else's computer using a legit version of Cubase and Kontakt when the same thing happened to me. I thought it might a combination of two plugins not seeming to want to be in the same project together. (Kontakt and Bionic Delay) When it was on my friends computer, I had to take the project to another computer with cubase on it, export each channel without fx on it, open a new project import the audio and paste the channel settings for the kick and bass and put the fx on again, avoiding using Kontakt and Bionic delay I think.. can't quite remember to be honest. The thing that bugs me the most about this is, the project runs on my laptop without this issue, but my laptop isn't powerful enough to actually finish this track
So it looks like I might have to try to take all the audio and bounce a new version of it without fx, save to a new folder, then take all the audio in that new folder and drop it in a new project and take the kick and bass channels and copy them over to the new project... Has anyone had a similar situation?
The wierdest thing about this situation is how this only has happened using a dual core computer, my laptop is a p4 2.4ghz P.O.S. and both computers that this has happened on were pretty much new.
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 13:22
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I don't know what sound card you're using, but with dual core computers there can be some problems with external MIDI devices. If you have any external MIDI try to disconnect it or use some MIDI filter to filter everything except notes. Sometimes dual core starts sending notes from core to core and that can cause really weird stuff.
I don't use Kontakt so I don't know does it has anything to do with this.
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makus
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 13:56
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so it seems that the problem is about the new computer, not the plugins or the project.
someone had similar issue when cubase, the plugins and samples from the project were on the different partitions, but it seems you tried to put all them in one partition. or no?
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 18:01
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For this particular track, I wasn't actually using any of the external gear.
Also I tried using different hard disks. The project was originally on a completely separate hard disk, my external disk. I was running the project from the external, and untill I cleared out some space on the external, the project did work on the new computer. It wasn't till I started getting the sound thing that I decided to move it from the external hard disk to the internal hard disk of the dual core.
I mentioned before that I had encountered this issue on a different computer, that time I was using one of the internal hard disks (completely separate drive, not a partition) of that computer, then when I got the white noise thing, I moved the project to the same external I was using for the current project I was working on, and got the same problem. I also moved a copy of the project to the C drive of that computer which is a separate hard disk from both the original project drive as well as a separate disk from my external hard disk. To see if it was just regulated to the one computer I was working on, I took the project from the computer that it was made on and moved it to a completely different machine and the issue did not occur. I thought that maybe it was just a bug so I saved a new version on the computer it was running alright on and took the project back to the original computer that I started it on. When I did that, the issue still was there. It wasn't until I took all the audio and exported every channel individually and reimported the audio into a new project that the issue stopped.
Come to think of it, I didn't quite remember last night cause when I was typing this it was about 4am, when I was going through to find which projects to delete from my external, I did open the project that I first encountered the issue on, and the problem started there... maybe a reinstall will sort things out. That's about the only thing I didn't do last night...
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 18:08
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Some of demo plugs cause occasional white noise bursts. Check your registrations... maybe you've forgot to register some of the plugs!?
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 18:22
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Nope, that's not the issue either... I did mention that I had disabled ALL the plugins and still was getting that issue... I also removed the plugins from the project and that was causing a crash.... Good thought though, but I'm very vigilant on a new system whenever I install cubase and and my plugins on them. I go through and test each individual plug to make sure they're installed correctly and registered... Not to mention, this would only happen on that one channel with the plugin in question. I did mention that this happens on different channels each time, as well as on channels that do not have any plugins on them.
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 18:38
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reinstalling didn't solve the problem either...  Looks like I'm not using a sampler for my kicks anymore... And maybe a few more plugins as well... I don't get it...
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 19:06
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Ok... so I uninstalled Kontakt completely... made a new kick sample from a part that I bounced to audio, and removed all the plugins that I had on it, and it's running again. I'm gonna start adding back in delay plugins one by one till I figure out what's going on, but at least the project is in semi working order...
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 20:33
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Nope... still having the issues... At least I found the crash data and I'm trying to figure that out...
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 22:34
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Sorted... f*bionic delay
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 23:20
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did you solve it?
by now I'm dying to hear what was it!?!
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Auralviolence
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Posted : Sep 12, 2007 23:44
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May be this delay caused denormalization ? Your symptoms are very similar to denormalization issue. Did you try to check the mark "old host behaviour" in Cubase's "plugin information" options on this delay plugin ? But, of course, it's much easier to use other delay plugin... |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 13, 2007 04:50
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mubali
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Posted : Sep 13, 2007 05:24
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Yeah I think it's sorted. I finally broke down reinstalled everything and left out the bionic delay. It was the only plug that I hadn't uninstalled that was in the previous tracks I had the issue in. Of course I'm quite miffed, cause I was running about 10 instances of the plugin in the track, but cest la vie... The thing that still baffles me is how I can have no issue with the plugin on my laptop, which has a slower processor and far less ram, but on the badass dual core machine with 2 gigs ram, the project messes up cubase. Now it's time to reauthorize all the other plugs that need it... Always happens right when I'm trying to finish it in time to play it on the weekend... But i think it's all good now, so I'll just have to use other delays...
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 13, 2007 10:01
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glad you worked it out.
The interesting thing is, that I had the exact same issues with cubase 4.. terrible white noise squeeks at random points in the arrangement and audiochannels...
After reinstalled windows' etc I narrowed it down on combinations of plugins used. It still came back and I found that changing usb ports of devices helped.. About three times I thought I've solved the problem... but never got rid of it completely.. till I found out that others in the cubase forum are having the problem too and most of them used the ASUS P5B series mainboards...
I changed the motherboard to a intel and now all works fine.
Just in case somebody else runs into this... that may also be a problem... some of the P5B users could solve the problem by switching slots of PCI cards and USB devices. or using tools to change "PCI latency"
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