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Saii
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Posted : May 3, 2009 21:05:04
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hey guys,
i was wondering how you guys widen the leads and riffs and everything that is up top. my basslines always sound perfect for the leads but the leads are weaker than the bassline so it so you got this fat bassline and really week but potential leads and riffs.
i want to know how do i bring them up to the same level as the bassline punch and at the same time given them some depth and not have to eq the bottoms out so they dont sound thin!
hope some one will not what im talkin about! 
bash
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : May 3, 2009 21:32
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I like to use a parametric EQ (like Waves REQ) and boost the low end to close to where the mid is so there's a nice little "hump". Then the EQ kind of gradually slopes downwards towards the low end so there's still some body without having to cut it out completely. Also I think the Betabugs plugin pack has a halfway decent stereo widener. If your synth or vsti supports unison oscillators you can put, say, two voices on and pan them until you're comfortable. Clever use of panorama effects can help you increase the volume without making it sound too muddy. You can usually get away with using a HPF on your lead to about 250 - 350 Hz without making it sound too thin.
I hope that helps and I'm not just sounding like an idiot giving bogus advice, lol. I'm sure there are plenty of sound engineers on these forums better than I who can offer up better advice.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : May 3, 2009 21:35
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Oh yeah, and it also helps not to have all of your leads at the same volume level. An added bonus to this is it gives your track more depth with a "foreground/background" sort of feel.
One piece of advice that I took really seriously was something my roommate once told me, and I'm not sure where he heard it, though I know someone important said it before:
"The most important notes are the ones you don't play."
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Saii
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Posted : May 3, 2009 21:39
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cool man thanks sounds great
"The most important notes are the ones you don't play."
its exactly what im after
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Chemogen
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Posted : May 3, 2009 21:43
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Yeah dude, all the magic of music lies in the intervals between notes. |
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Medea
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Posted : May 3, 2009 21:49
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Imho, wideness and fatness are not the same. A good punchy and fat lead can be mono.
A good trick for fattening leads is using detune on oscillators. For example, if you have 2 osc lead, detune osc1 +5 cents and osc2 -5 cents. Unison is a good thing as well. [not mentioning eq and compression]
For widening - tiny reverb, stereoexpanders, doubling channels and delaying one of them etc...
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Seppa
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Posted : May 3, 2009 23:40
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To get a nice stereo image you can bounce the lead and make a copy. pan one version hard right and the other hard left... and take the copied version and move it forward a few milliseconds... you will get a nice widening fx... commonly used on mono guitar part or even vocals...
this does give more presence to the original sound. althoug a good eq and layering the lead might improve it too...
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Saii
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Posted : May 4, 2009 03:59
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sick guys...any more ideas like these and this will be a very informative thread!
thanks guys
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ohshit
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Posted : May 4, 2009 07:23
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Saii
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Posted : May 4, 2009 07:38
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ice but im on a mac intel and if possible something that is less than 200 dollars! lol
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 4, 2009 11:29
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Exelgen
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Posted : May 4, 2009 11:41
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On 2009-05-03 23:40, Seppa wrote:
To get a nice stereo image you can bounce the lead and make a copy. pan one version hard right and the other hard left... and take the copied version and move it forward a few milliseconds... you will get a nice widening fx... commonly used on mono guitar part or even vocals...
this does give more presence to the original sound. althoug a good eq and layering the lead might improve it too...
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hehe that just reminded me of my childhood  cause putting 2 same samples a bit shifted in time and panned in opposite ways was the only way to achieve cool stereo effect on oldskool amiga/pc trackers... awww those were the times |
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Larrikin
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Posted : May 4, 2009 13:28
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Andrew
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Posted : May 5, 2009 05:49
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jizy
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Posted : May 5, 2009 11:38
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take two mono duplicates of lead, pan one left one right, invert the phase of one them, then track delay a few mil seconds its the out of speaker trick
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