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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 06:17
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make kick in left speaker and bass in the right one...
Put some acid leads outside the speakers...
add some shiny sparkle glitter ontop of the speakers and to round it off add a huge delay inside the speakers...
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 07:44
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Nah really, low end mono, high end you can do what you want to.... Layer 3 kicks, one lowshelf the other two highshelf,(not necessary shelfing, peak works well also) make same process again on the other two to really eliminate any bass freq... even at crossover point they still contain some lows... so double it up with one more cut, or two bands... whatever 
now to the two highshelfed you can pan each one of them 20-30 or more if you want, add a slight verb if you want, and maybe just cut a little in their peaking freq so they get a little rounder...
If you are into experimental stuff you can do weird things... if not you just made your kick sound wider
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 10:04
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On 2009-11-30 03:58, jizy wrote:
Yeh yeh yeh, slap a mono maker on the lo end, do what the fuk u want to the mids!!!!!!!
Depends how bord u r with the same shit! Just narrow the image so it ain't stupidly wide in your face!
Il make an example of what I mean
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agreed,
i just thought that it is becoming a trend in modern psytrance to widen the mids of the kick and bass. everything sounds much bigger and more stereo then it used to. these days
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 10:10
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On 2009-11-30 07:44, Freeflow wrote:
Nah really, low end mono, high end you can do what you want to.... Layer 3 kicks, one lowshelf the other two highshelf,(not necessary shelfing, peak works well also) make same process again on the other two to really eliminate any bass freq... even at crossover point they still contain some lows... so double it up with one more cut, or two bands... whatever
now to the two highshelfed you can pan each one of them 20-30 or more if you want, add a slight verb if you want, and maybe just cut a little in their peaking freq so they get a little rounder...
If you are into experimental stuff you can do weird things... if not you just made your kick sound wider
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that is how i figured it is done.
i did not read the infected muchroom kick tutorial,, I think it was said somewhere they use this layering technique. i just did not know about the panning part.
thanks.
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 10:12
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"experimental weird things" is what psy is all about for me.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 10:30
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Just to clear up, when i say layer 3 kicks i mean that you at least have to use 2 copies of the same kick for the highend, for the lowend you can have another kind... it can be interesting to experiment with
the easy way is to use 3 copies of the same kick..
But maybe that was understood =)
cheers...
Yes *eLliSDee* i agree its all about experimenting!
soo much things one can do! whoo hoo
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jizy
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 16:29
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On 2009-11-30 10:04, *eLliSDee* wrote:
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On 2009-11-30 03:58, jizy wrote:
Yeh yeh yeh, slap a mono maker on the lo end, do what the fuk u want to the mids!!!!!!!
Depends how bord u r with the same shit! Just narrow the image so it ain't stupidly wide in your face!
Il make an example of what I mean
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agreed,
i just thought that it is becoming a trend in modern psytrance to widen the mids of the kick and bass. everything sounds much bigger and more stereo then it used to. these days
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no trend just pushing boundaries to a next level in music evolution kinda,, imagine if everything remained the same,,nothing would ever change we would still be Stuk at staring at are dog with a diktaphone
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 22:50
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On 2009-11-30 10:30, Freeflow wrote:
Just to clear up, when i say layer 3 kicks i mean that you at least have to use 2 copies of the same kick for the highend, for the lowend you can have another kind... it can be interesting to experiment with
the easy way is to use 3 copies of the same kick..
But maybe that was understood =)
cheers...
Yes *eLliSDee* i agree its all about experimenting!
soo much things one can do! whoo hoo
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I understand. thank you
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 2, 2009 00:57
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jizy
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Posted : Dec 2, 2009 02:21
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On 2009-12-02 00:57, Upavas wrote:
Every rule is there to be broken, once someone knows how to! If it sounds good, do it!
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thas exacly what i say
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 2, 2009 02:50
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Still i think there is really not much reason to wider the kick... maybe for some minimal stuff, and if you gonna play tricks with it..
but for busy stuff that use the whole spectrum and where other instruments take use of the panorama its in my opinion no use..
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~Q9~
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Posted : Dec 2, 2009 02:59
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On 2009-12-02 02:50, Freeflow wrote:
Still i think there is really not much reason to wider the kick... maybe for some minimal stuff, and if you gonna play tricks with it..
but for busy stuff that use the whole spectrum and where other instruments take use of the panorama its in my opinion no use..
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maybe or maybe not.....depends where in the composition. I mean you don't have to do it all the way through. I hate songs where the kick keeps going but the bass drops out. I was thinking of maybe using different type of kick in these parts. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 2, 2009 03:10
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~Q9~  
yeah, thats a very cool thing that many musicians forget. its a very cool thing if the kick change suits...
Great stuff...
btw i also dont like it when the bass drops but the kicks goes on.. sounds silly if there isnt a very good catch to it
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mquirk1
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Posted : Dec 2, 2009 04:07
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i think a lot of people make the mistake of overdoing it when it comes to trying to get wide mixes. basically, contrast is king when it comes to wide mixes. people who try and make every.single.element in their mix stereo are missing the point, it's just gonna sound all over the place and not 'wide' as there's no solid mono information to compare it to.
what's going to sound wider, some mix which has stereo shit all over everything the whoooole track, or a mix which has kick/bass/percussion etc all dead centre but then after a build up drops into some big lead which is super stereo. the contrast will make it seem like your mix has suddenly exploded. or a mix where most of the solid info is down the centre but there's little delay and subtle synth effects panned hard left/right.
load up some really pro mixes in cubase and run them through a plugin like the brainworx m/s one. have a listen to how much of the track is generally in mono and the small amount that is the 'difference' general, or in stereo.
try having the 'main lead' of your track, plus kick, bass, snare etc panned middle, and then the more subtle/high endy effects panned hard left/hard right. or for example have it panned hard left with a send to a delay panned hard right.
sure experiment with going nuts with panning and making stuff 'stereo', but do just as much experimenting with keeping the majority of things mono and just panning a few select effects. you might be surprised which ends up sounding wider in the end
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~Q9~
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Posted : Dec 2, 2009 04:17
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^^^^^ some interesting points. Though I think some percussion elements can be panned. |
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