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wich program is good for making psycadelic trance
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fregle
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Posted : Mar 1, 2005 15:42
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and don't think that the 'little programs' don't have enough features, i'm still discovering stuff in fruityloops... And fruity is a great example of a creative tool, u can totally fuck up your sound (which is what we do most in psytrance  ) with hardly any effort... Most features are there u know, and not hard to use either, u just have to find them... But that's the same for most programs. Orion and ableton and reason are very good too... They might seem more amateuristic then cubase or logic, but there aren't a lot of features missing from those 'simple' programs... No surround, no image-syncing, no sysex, ... But as u can see, these aren't features u'll be using as a budding producer (except for sysex, which is an easy way to save ur hardware settings on the pc)... Most of the big names don't even use the most advanced features of cubase and logic... |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 18:47
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bah 
logic has a lot more features than surround!.,
to name a few,:
environment,
groove templates,
good audio engine (record multiple tracks, flexibility in routing)
hundreds of sefdefinable key commands
elegant working with big arrangements.,
simple way of setting up vst instruments
easy access to a lot of parameters from the arrange window,
automation.,
etc, etc.,
not bashing here but there are some BIG differences in the features offered by different sequencers.,
greets.,
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TaLaS
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 21:37
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hmm.. psychedelik sound....
all the software : fl , cubase , reason , ableton etc,, etc,,,,
are for psytrance.
and also all the synths are for trance.. or electronic music.
the clue of psytrance are:
lfos , filters , and fxs. |
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EYB
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Posted : Mar 2, 2005 23:31
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Hi Zildoggo 
Fruity and logic of course different but
Fl5 also featuring groove templates, elegant working with big arrangments, good sound engine, simple way of setting up vsts, very good automation and much much more.
And best, it is for ibm pcs 
And with the next version it will be even have more features and will be ultra phat
But the point is u can do psytrance with all these sequencers, if u learn to use it.
Some examples (random, whats get in my brain)
Cubase - Misted Mupped
Orion - Ocelot
Fruity - Sattle Battle
Logic - Mubali
These four artists make all killer music, so u see it doesn't matter what sequencer u use, it matter how u know and use it.
So don't think to much about ur sequencer just make killa music
Peace
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fregle
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 15:37
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@ZilDoggo: i gave a couple of examples... Not all differences, i don't even know them all...
anyway, opening a VST can't be easier then in fruity, whatever u say about logic. groove templates exist in reason and ableton too (fruity has groove function too, but no templates i think), just look for it, or make yer own... Defining keys is indeed something missing from fruity, but ableton can do it (DUH, it's made to play live), and reason too i think. Elegant working with big projects? OK, but fruity is much more elegant on small projects... Automation?! fruity and ableton and reason all have automation... Easy access to parameters? ableton, reason and fruity are made for easy access...
I'm sure there are lot's of things logic can do that the others can't, but u don't have to exagerate... They are very able programs for making stereo songs... With all the most important features.
and why do i think fruity is ideal for psychedelic music? not because it has loads of features or things like that... I believe it's ideal because fruity makes it very easy to totally mangle sound... u don't even need vst's for it, just experiment a little in the channel parameters, u can totally fuck up a sample only using and automating those parameters inherent to fruity... And i used cubase and logic... automation and mangling takes hours and loads of knowledge... |
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EYB
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 16:25
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Fruity have templates for grooves, arpregiators and all the shit, quant., strum, flam, for articulating, for lfos in automation, and randomizing for almost everything.
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LiquidSpaceGermany
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 19:42
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EYB
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Posted : Mar 3, 2005 20:52
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Shit, then i havn't got any good program 
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Honguito
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Posted : Mar 4, 2005 03:09
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I recently started off with cubase sx2. before that I knew NOTHING about how to operate the program. Some people adviced me to begin with fruity loops because it's easier for a beginner and blah blah. But I went straight for the "hard thing" And I'm really making progress. I don't think it's THAT hard to learn. So, a beginners advice to another beginner: choose cubase |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Mar 4, 2005 13:53
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hehe,.,
some good old discussion
ok, first of all, to me, this is only a discussion.
so no hard feelings
with groove templates i mean that you can take any (rithmical) sample and either turn that rithm into a quantise pattern (that you can use on other stuff) or re-quantise the sample with a pattern.,
i'm not sure but i havent seen that function in fruity.,
cubase does do something like that, afaik.
reason has the rex player thingie.,
but logic can import REX files too, either as audio parts (with a separate midi track)
or as a sampler instrument, which alows you to play it like with reason.
another thing is the way vst's and instruments are loaded in cubase and FL.
(well, havent tried FL5 yet, so this may be old whining
as far as i can tell there are separate screens where you load your instruments.
then you actually have to assign them in a track in a completely different part of the program.
personaly, i think logics solution is more elegant.
you just load the vsti on the track you want it on. without any extra screens that clog your brain with useless structure.,.
... its the small things that help me through the day 
also, i dont think that fruity(4) has easy access to parametres, you always have to find the right screen with the parametres., THEN you have easy access.,
with logic you get a lot of handy things in the leftmost part of the arrangement. always.
sound engine is becoming much better in fruity.
but i can occasionally hear the hi-freq smearing in some fruity projects.
i think it has something to do with the interpolation algorithms and stuff, so of course you can switch them off.,
automation realy rocks in logic,
you can use track automation (which is like an track on top of a channel that doesnt normaly move when you move things in the arrangement)
but you can also use automation inside the blocks with note data. this automation will sick to the notes and moves along with them.
automation data is not actually there (unless you want it to).
you just draw lines and curves and during playback this is converted to the right controller data.
about convering controller data, logic is so flexible that you could easily transform velocity to (for instance) pitch bend data.
in fact, the environment is like a modular synthesizer for data. you can realy do interesting things like make a delay that plays a different sound/track for every delay.
layering things is also great in logic.
you can make an extra track/instrument and send its data to any number of other tracks.
these other tracks are still independant so you can change everything on them on the fly (like velocity range, transposition, delay, etc)
about mangling, what kind of mangling do you mean?., i can turn controller data into note-on messages in 10 seconds., without actually changing the original data ,., )
and with the effects in logic you can mangle a lot more,.
"I'm sure there are lot's of things logic can do that the others can't, but u don't have to exagerate... They are very able programs for making stereo songs... With all the most important features. "
hehe,
i just named a few things that i thought were different and now i'm exagerating?.,
well, i think too that you can make good music with any tool.,
choise of sequencer is a more personal thing i think,.
it's like choosing clothes.
some things fit you and some things dont.,
all i was saying is that logic has a lot of stuff that you dont see if you didnt readd the manual front to back and use it on a daily basis.,
it's like a sea of tools and you have to make your own bridge to get to your end result.
it realy gives you a lot of different ways to work with it because of it's flexibility.
and for a lot of these ways of working you keep finding things that help you along the way.
its like a multidimentional tool
if you keep it simple then there will be tools helping you with simple things,
if you get complicated there will be tools helping you with that too.,
but i have to admit that at the moment the biggest problem is that it doesnt run on pc., (((((
eyb,
" Fruity have templates for grooves"
in logic, you can take the groove of one sample and apply it to another sample )))
otoh, pitch shifting/time stretching realy sux in logic.,
and of course i have only touched on the most noticable features. there are numerous other small things that put a smile on my mouth .,.
anyway, to make a little conclusion,
do not underestimate the power of big sequencers.
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fregle
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Posted : Mar 4, 2005 16:09
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that note-automation does sound VERY interesting indeed... And ur right about fruity when u say that it's only easy when u know where to look (i've been using it since fruity2, so i don't notice things like that). But i don't understand why u think loading a VST is so hard? just go to channel, if u selected the vst (the checkbox has to be checked for this to work) in 'more...' once it always appears under add channel after that, and u just choose it and the channel is added with the vst... u don't even have to make a midi-track attached to it or open the vst-links window or anything... But maybe u don't have to do that in logic either... Also, copying automation is possible with fruity and such too, no problem, but what bothers me is that i can't manipulate it enough (example: reversing automation in fruity is impossible). If u use midi, u can send anything to any channel or any cc... U can send note-info to cc's and vice versa... That's just a property of midi, not something that's exclusive to logic...
what i meant by exaggerate is that u seem to think that programs like fruity, reason and ableton miss lot's of essential features and are therefore unusable for professional music composition. That was true just a few years ago, but by now those programs became quite capable...
I have to admit that i'm surprised to see how easy logic can be once u got your head around it. Indeed, it seems much better then cubase once u know it... |
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fregle
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Posted : Mar 4, 2005 16:13
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and NOBODY underestimates the power of big sequencers (i only underestimated the ease of use), but u shouldn't underestimate the power of the 'small' sequencers either
so i guess we can conclude that all programs are good for psychedelic music, u just have to find the thing that suits u best... |
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all i was saying is that logic has a lot of stuff that you dont see if you didnt readd the manual front to back and use it on a daily basis.,
it's like a sea of tools and you have to make your own bridge to get to your end result.
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so true !!
nice post zildoggo
for me the way i feel with logic is in someways the same i feel with my guitar, i bought it because i knew it could make a good sound, and more i'm used to it the more i like it..
sequencer is the electronic musician's instrument.. it's why it's an important choice.
by the way i'm on logic 5 pc and i suppose for a long time |
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piXan
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Posted : Mar 5, 2005 15:28
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Posted : Mar 5, 2005 16:04
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piXan wrote:
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peace
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100% agree !! |
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