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why some dark labels and artist use satanic iconography??
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mubali
Mubali
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Posted : May 15, 2008 13:09
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People just have WAAAY too much time on their hands...
In a sense this isn't too much different than that one 1200 micrograms album with all the damn drug references.
and in a sense it works because you guys are doing exactly what that type of marketing wants you to. Discuss it, flame it, continually beat a dead horse around it... In the end all it does is call attention to it, and in a situation where there's way more supply than there is demand, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Now there might be some really good music in there and you might even try and listen to it, not because you think the music is good, but because it raised such a fuss that you at least have to check it out. In a sense this is no different than certain metal bands. We know good and damn well that most of these artists aren't conjuring demonic forces or anything like that, because that just wouldn't fly at a trance party. But it's enough of a shock to the happy hippie plury all life is beautiful system to make you pay attention because it doesn't follow that particular status quo that is emphasized in a lot of the themes in this particular genre of music.
Now that being said, I'd rather just let my music market itself based upon it's own merits. I do use relatively funny track names and some tongue in cheek references to things in my own works... For instance, a couple of my album tracks in my first album were a little risque if you knew what I referenced... For instance, I picked up the term Hotshot from some british techno dj friends of mine during a particularly debaucherous weekend in the mountains in Northern California... and Spherechucker??? That one was pretty close to being blatant, but there's a bit of a personal reason for that... many people especially here in the Us have some racial tension and there's some terms you can't really use if you're not from a particular background, however I felt that if I used it, people could laugh about it, and the NAACP couldn't really sue me for it.
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Saikozaurus
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Posted : May 15, 2008 18:02
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IMHO
We are all living same time in all dimensions, from demonic to angelic, we are all multydimensional creatures. And if somebody`s Kundalini sleeping in Muladhara, this guy resonanting at the frequences of demonic dimensions, and to kick Kundalini thru dance (dynamic meditation) and push her to highest chakras, we need to use special DARK sound, sorry but fullon or progressive dosn`t work properly with this side of power. Any case, like all around, trance music (and dark trance also) has main idea - LOVE, and if we can grow from duality, we can understand what really happens 
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : May 15, 2008 19:31
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very wise words saikozaurus....!!
if i can add my 2 cents:
if you observe the story of any person in our life....there always are demonic dimensions......always challanges....point is overcoming them without being afflicted....but you can only overcome them once you face them directly... and with the power everyone has inside (love....) we can use them to grow stronger......
this, imho is the feeling that (what you people call) "darkpsy" listeners (us) enjoy and feel soo attracted too.....challenge your body, your mind and your spirit to become a better man/women....simply thinking of all the love there is in the world is not going to get you any more aware or spiritually high.....just a false sense of happiness first and bad feelings once you realise there is indeed more than only love, peace, unity and respect...
despite this, one can find unconditional love....all the people who did so, never achieved it in an easy way....!!!? facing your ego, your fears and YOU is the only way...
otherwise we would be born in a different planet...
the covers on albums (and i agree too much is not good or tastefull or psychedelic) just symbolize what you have to go thru before achieving what you might call blissfull state...
bholenath!
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@ spasm:
please stop preaching....and answering just by picking up one phrase completely out of context (of someone else) and commenting on it....
especially with that taste of yours which is not bad or good (is just relative to you only!!)....
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Spasm
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Posted : May 15, 2008 21:05
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well NIKTHEQUICK, i believe that i have good taste as well, thanx for poiting that out.
Be honest, you actually enjoy arguing with me.
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Aluxe
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Posted : May 15, 2008 22:09
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Some people here give the horror covers a deeper meaning, which defenitely ties it more with the psychedelic aspect.
However a lot of these covers don't seem to have that psychedelic aspect and deeper meaning at all. Instead it's just the same old "look at me, I am so evil and wicked" poser attitude, which is not much different from what you find on the death/black metal covers which is a totally different scene.
But there are no rules and I think its perfectly valid when they give all the horror shit a deeper psychedelic spin. Then that shit makes sense in the psy scene. But when its obviously just the same old lame wanabe bad teenager pose.. of course people are going to talk shit about it and say it does not belong here. Just like when people talk about lame cheesy full on that resembles more the bubble gum pop music attitude.
When people like Yahel or Skazi come up with their awful poser covers, of course people are going to talk shit about them. Can you blame them? The same applies to lame horror poser attitudes. Honestly you can't expect people to not say anything negative about this.
But if done right and in a psychedelic way and with love underneath. Then why not.. ART has no rules, and we can learn from everything.
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : May 15, 2008 22:53
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For example : http://217.160.138.169/pic_b/ncr1cd001_b.jpg
This is obviously not psychedelic, neither does it go with the name of the VA. I dont really understand what the skull represents? I like the music in this VA, but the cover simply sucks. Period. |
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 16, 2008 03:35
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I've read many posts where people have stated that "it's not very psychedelic" etc.
So what is the general consensus on what is in the spirit of the psychedelic trance scene? Is there any consensus at all?
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Pavel
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Posted : May 16, 2008 03:54
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On 2008-05-16 03:35, Psytracked wrote:
I've read many posts where people have stated that "it's not very psychedelic" etc.
So what is the general consensus on what is in the spirit of the psychedelic trance scene? Is there any consensus at all?
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Yes there is
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Aluxe
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Posted : May 16, 2008 03:57
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some people are going to argue that anything can be psychedelic. Yeah sure, I guess it depends on how high you are. Not necessarely stoned but beautiful.
So now even country music is going to be psychedelic. And pop and mainstream hip hop. It's all psychedelic. Whatever
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : May 16, 2008 04:05
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On 2008-05-16 03:57, Aluxe wrote:
I don't know what we are discussing here anymore.
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+1 hehe  |
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~:MuZiK
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Posted : May 16, 2008 05:04
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 16, 2008 06:30
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On 2008-05-16 03:57, Aluxe wrote:
I don't know what we are discussing here anymore.
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In a nutshell:
topic starter: "why some dark labels and artist use satanic iconography??"
some random user: "cause dark trance is shite"
some dark lover: "bullshit, dark is teh real psychedelic, it is killargh"
followed by more posts from like minded dark lovers which frequently post on internet message boards.
then some random guy that listens to a lot more techno than "psy-trance", although for some strange reason, he posts on psy-trance message boards, wrote: "bollocks, dark music is not really dark, its just music for retarded kids pretending to be all bad ass like, but they have more spots on their faces than the sky has stars on a real dark night. It also happens that the only real tits they ever saw, were their sisters when they "accidentally" walked in on her when she was having a shower. shortly after they had a 15sec wank is the bathtub, smelling her dirty knickers"
then some random user wrote: "for fucks sake, you guys don't like anything...is there anything that's ok on this world?"
then some wise user, obviously experienced in all important matters of life, promptly wrote: "yes, tits, especially fake ones."
the some random guy wrote: "you can't measure art. these covers are fine and they are truly psychedelic"
then some other user wrote: "of course you can measure art, these covers are shite, along with the music that comes with them"
some dark lover: " no its not shite"
some dark hater: "yes it is"
some dark lover: "its not"
some dark hater: "it is"
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some dark lover: "it isn't"
some dark hater: "it is"
some artist: "you guys have way too much time on your hands" and then goes on to a long post about him self and his works. No one cared.
some dark lover: "you has bad taste, dark is teh rEaLz PsYcHeDelIc, i knowz, i has taste, better than you.
some dark hater: "well it is my opinion and I am free to talk crap on line, so there. neener neener..."
some poor soul that had far too many drugs to even bother writing something that is remotely coherent and makes any sense whatsoever, wrote: "ZATAN "
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mk47
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Posted : May 16, 2008 07:27
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lol , n1
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 16, 2008 07:38
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On 2008-05-15 13:09, mubali wrote:
People just have WAAAY too much time on their hands...
In a sense this isn't too much different than that one 1200 micrograms album with all the damn drug references.
and in a sense it works because you guys are doing exactly what that type of marketing wants you to. Discuss it, flame it, continually beat a dead horse around it... In the end all it does is call attention to it, and in a situation where there's way more supply than there is demand, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Now there might be some really good music in there and you might even try and listen to it, not because you think the music is good, but because it raised such a fuss that you at least have to check it out. In a sense this is no different than certain metal bands. We know good and damn well that most of these artists aren't conjuring demonic forces or anything like that, because that just wouldn't fly at a trance party. But it's enough of a shock to the happy hippie plury all life is beautiful system to make you pay attention because it doesn't follow that particular status quo that is emphasized in a lot of the themes in this particular genre of music.
Now that being said, I'd rather just let my music market itself based upon it's own merits. I do use relatively funny track names and some tongue in cheek references to things in my own works... For instance, a couple of my album tracks in my first album were a little risque if you knew what I referenced... For instance, I picked up the term Hotshot from some british techno dj friends of mine during a particularly debaucherous weekend in the mountains in Northern California... and Spherechucker??? That one was pretty close to being blatant, but there's a bit of a personal reason for that... many people especially here in the Us have some racial tension and there's some terms you can't really use if you're not from a particular background, however I felt that if I used it, people could laugh about it, and the NAACP couldn't really sue me for it.
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kriz
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Posted : May 16, 2008 11:03
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Looks like it 
But its all about the trip, sometimes i want to have some real crazy
music.. Not this safe and easy going fullon/prog (wich i also like,
sometimes)...
Its just about going new places and alot of us have grown up with
satanic images and ideas... I think its good with some change, the
main idea behind it IMHO: Is think for yourself, dont listen to people
trying to control you..Like old religions have done for so much time,
wars etc etc...
So for me its very interesting
3o~ kriz aka krize 3o~ ....Horrordelic Records.... http://www.horrordelic.com
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