V3NOM
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Posted : Jun 27, 2011 02:21:56
I mean, if an album is supposed to represent the artwork of a musician as a whole then why not create the album flowing like a live set?
I find that unmixed albums do not enhance the trance experience at all, and are really only useful for DJs.
Do not need to be beat matched, but mixed like ultimae or some Zenon from outro to intro makes for much better trance listening!
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Posted : Jun 27, 2011 02:23
well…. it'd be a bitch to mix and master…… but it sure sounds alot cooler than the traditional way.
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Posted : Jun 27, 2011 03:43
If they can spend the time prepping it this way for a fake live set surely they can do it for an official release?
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Posted : Jun 27, 2011 04:31
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On 2011-06-27 02:23, dreadieg wrote:
well…. it'd be a bitch to mix and master……
Not at all, you just master each track separately as usual, and do the crossfades when you assemble the album as a whole.
Mixing and mastering a single track that's 74 minutes long - now that would be a challenge!
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Posted : Jun 27, 2011 06:55
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On 2011-06-27 04:31, Colin OOOD wrote:
IMO, psytrance albums generally consist of separate tracks because the music is intended for the dancefloor, and the idea is to make like easy for DJs.
If they really wanted to make things easy for DJs they would put longer intros and outros on their tracks.
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Posted : Jun 27, 2011 07:05
Actually they would start the track with bass kick and high hats only for the first few bars with no bass line, notes or FX at all so you just mix the beats like most of the bangin' techno stuff.
I guess that it comes down to whether people listen at home or for DJing.
A lot of DJ's seem to be going digital so I can't see why putting flowing albums out on CD is a bad thing. And in most cases if it's mixing intro to outro it has minimal effect on the DJ, unless it is a 1 second intro.
Anyway, just always wondered why some artist's or labels seem to do it one way or the other.
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Posted : Jun 27, 2011 21:02
I think it actually makes for better-sounding mixes if the intro has a high-frequency rhythmic component (like a highpassed kick or a hihat) but no bassline, and some sort of lead or ambient sound that isn't too "full".
If the intro has full kicks you have unavoidable phasing during mixing, and I'm very perfectionist so I like to avoid that.
A good example would be the intro for this track, except that it ruins it by adding an extra 2 bars before the beat drops
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Posted : Jun 30, 2011 09:36
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an album is an album.
you can always release mixes of your music.
believe in the opposite, an album should be an experience so you can have small transition tracks to make it so, you can always release wav file singe track EPs for DJs it also makes business sense.
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Posted : Jun 30, 2011 10:20
For example the Balance mix CD series has for years released the mixed CDS, DJs etc. can buy the unmixed package of all tracks digital online inc. the digital mixes as well.
A lot of this scene seems to be very much stuck in the past and being "underground". I reckon if half the labels could be arsed making the effort they might actually make some money.
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Posted : Jun 30, 2011 13:48
not a big fan of mixed compilations. mainly because they contain the work of so many different minds. all DJ sets are mixed compilations to begin with anyway.
a good format for albums would be:
- have unmixed DJ promos that go out before the release to the inner circle.
- sell limited edition physical "mixed" album presentation to collectors/avid listeners
- simultaneously give a free mini mixed version of the album away through website or label site
- sell the wordwide DJ version of the album in digital EPs of 3-4 tracks each on beatport and other DJ friendly portals.
an example of an excellent CD album and separate DJ digital releases would be Jaia's Fiction.
by "mixed" would mean the whole track is there without the DJ friendly intro/outro. Instead there are ambient, experimental or even vocal transitions like some reggae releases.
it's a lot more work for the label yes, but like you said V3NOM, currently it's about the effort put in.
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Posted : Jun 30, 2011 13:57
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On 2011-06-27 02:23, dreadieg wrote:
well…. it'd be a bitch to mix and master……
Not at all, you just master each track separately as usual, and do the crossfades when you assemble the album as a whole.
Mixing and mastering a single track that's 74 minutes long - now that would be a challenge!
IMO, psytrance albums generally consist of separate tracks because the music is intended for the dancefloor, and the idea is to make like easy for DJs.
I feel that it depends on the artist. His choice whether to make it a single track or have separate tracks.
Look at psykovsky he does both things sometimes on the same cd.
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 20:28
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On 2011-06-27 04:31, Colin OOOD wrote:
IMO, psytrance albums generally consist of separate tracks because the music is intended for the dancefloor, and the idea is to make like easy for DJs.
If they really wanted to make things easy for DJs they would put longer intros and outros on their tracks.
Hmmm... actually psy and prog are the electronic genres that have the longest intros and outros.
At least compared to Techno and House, that 98% of the time start with the kick already banging.
But they sure stay in that initial loop for a good thirty, forty seconds before anything else comes in. So you definitely may have a point there.
I always thought this was to help dj's remix it.
As mentioned, some psy/prog artists deliver promos of their new albums as full sets. For some reason, it is seen as less valuable than the actual album with the tracks separated.
To be honest, I would like if albums never stopped the music, making the transitions between songs soft and flowing, but I sure would like the tracks separated.
Many Techno albums / sets are separated into tracks and while you listen, you don't notice the change from one music to another.
I know I'll be accused of being nostalgic, but I sense psy has lost much of its "narrative" aspect when concept albums came in and took it to an absurd level:
the zodiac thing from Talamasca, the drugs thing with 1200 Mics...
Few still want to tell stories and show imagery.
Does any know know what I mean by this? Do I make sense?
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Posted : Aug 2, 2011 21:14
everything you are referring to, that is trance related is SUPER old. Are you in to techno?
Concept albums are often tracked out but not seperated (ARE MIXED). Compilations are more 1 offs, even if the concept is manifested so mixing the tunes would be a little irrelevant.
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it also makes business sense.
