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why sampling the bassline
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psyraal
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Posted : Nov 22, 2012 20:44:55
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dumb question really.
but i'm wondering why most of you sample the bass rather then leaving the software/hardware plugged. I know a few reasons like constant sound (no sound variation on bass notes), more cpu memory available, to be able to edit (like pitch, reverse, etc.).
why do you do it?
 
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supergroover
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Posted : Nov 22, 2012 21:25
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I don't usually. But if I do it would be because of the constant sound and editing options.
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Lost & Found
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Posted : Nov 23, 2012 14:02
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Because most synths are unstable. Sometimes you have to sample the bass because some of the notes play slightly out of time. If you want it "tight", better to bounce.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 23, 2012 14:38
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Timing issues aside (which I had with my old PC, but not with my Mac) the reason people sample synths that they use for basslines is because on free running oscillator synths (as in the oscillator is running continuously) is to get a constant "snapshot" of the oscillator's phase at every single note trigger.
A synth will output a note trigger by triggering the ADSR that controls the amplifier, so the amplifier will open at the settings depicted by the ADSR, which means that, for a free running oscillator, at one trigger the transient phase will be at, say 90degress, whereas in the next note it will be at, say 270 degrees. That means that the transient content will be different and sound different. Thus people sample such synths, or use synths where there is an option to force the oscillator to start from the same phase at each trigger. Them synths do not need sampling, as every note sounds exactly the same.
For example I have to sample my Moog Slim Phatty which does not have an option for me to force the VCO at the same phase position at each trigger, whereas I do not have to sample my Moog Minitaur which has a VCO phase re-trigger function, so every note sounds exactly the same.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Nov 23, 2012 16:41
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What about ES1 and ESM? They sound stable but both don't have an osc retrigger option.Is it better to sample them for basslines?
Btw great explanation Nectarios.
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 23, 2012 19:03
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esm is not stable sadly, it can sound like it depending the midi pattern and knobs position but it s not totally stable( and its perfeclty fine when suited). es1 can be set to be totally stable with analog at zero.
with esm the first note always retriger the same at the begining of the waveform making it easy to sample ,except if you want a note that retriger somewhere else on the waveform, personally i dont really like adjusting phase setting on synth,i like when it start at a zero crossing point at begining or in the middle of saw depending the synths..
when using hardware via midi sampling can be used for perfeclty stable notes cause of midi latency and jitter,depending the midi interface it s more or less a problem |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Nov 23, 2012 19:17
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Nov 23, 2012 19:40
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 23, 2012 20:02
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no most are free running by default but a lot come with settings to retrigger the osc. it s free running to emulate analog synth, try to make some leads with retrigering the osc, sometimes it s suited but it can sound very unplesant too for lot of patchs as it s static and there is not the phasing efffect of oscs that gel toghther |
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CEgreg
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Posted : Dec 4, 2012 04:29
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on the ES2 I have just noticed the 'osc start' controls. There are settings; free, soft and hard. Can anyone explain the difference between soft and hard?
Is it worth sampling my bassline from any logic native synths or massive due to timing issues or is this mainly a hardware thing? And what would I sample? Note by note or a whole bar? I'm not sure...
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Atherian
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Posted : Dec 4, 2012 06:53
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ive been using filterscape and sylenth for bass but the more i use sylenth the more i like it. Retrigger is very important for bass as the phase relationship between 2 osc is key to get a nice dynamic sound. So with an osc start control you definitly want hard for bass as that is gonna be the tightest starting the osc over every time a note hits.
I think it is worth sampling but the better your bass is designed in the synth the more stable it will be in the first place. How your midi is setup and velocity settings will contribute to this as well. trial and error is the only way to get through it trying different techniques.
If you are going to try sampling a bass down if your making psytrance i would just design the bass nice and fat with the cutoff wide open and just plot half notes in a sequence to get a variety of different notes or the scale you want to use.. the key is to get a fat note and also keep; the filter envelope fairly open. bounce down the different notes
Load and edit the individual half note samples into a sampler and pute a lopass filter on it with a mod envelope controlling it. the key to a dynamic sound is also having the envelope do the work to form the sound with the filter. filter.
that and making sure your kick and bass is in perfect key is really important. and also to take a notch out of the second octave of the bass with an eq and also cutting everything under your root note with a high pass.
i havnt perfected the technique yet but it seems to me that this is how it is achieved among other things.
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zwarag
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Posted : Dec 4, 2012 16:39
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Great, i was wondering since i've started to produce some stuff, why does my bassline sounds different every bar. thanks friends! |
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Posted : Dec 4, 2012 19:31
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It´s easy, you bounce the bassline when u fininshed the track. In this way you save cpu and u choose the stable notes for your bassline like u do when u recording vocals. Other situation is when u change the notes of the bassline the harmonics change too, in this way is more easy to eq too on the mixdown. You add tracks to changed notes with diferent equalization. |
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PsiloCybian
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Posted : Dec 5, 2012 13:44
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Dec 5, 2012 14:55
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On 2012-12-05 13:44, PsiloCybian wrote:
maybe i can do a short vid explaning why i sample my bassline anybody interested ?
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Very 
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