Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 13, 2013 16:15
If Psytrance has become shit it is at least partly because promoters of many larger events have their own agendas (booking friends and acts associated with the labels many of them run) and are therefore reluctant to make bookings which don't directly benefit them in some way, and who tend to book acts that don't stray away from the formulas which define particular sub-genres, leading people to believe that what they see at festivals is the best the scene has to offer when this is far from the case. This encourages artists to stick to the established - tired, even - formulas in the hope of getting booked, leading to a lack of diversity and innovation in the scene as a whole. IMO/IME.
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Posted : Jun 13, 2013 18:48
In retrospect it took Dubstep about 5 to 7 years to become shit.
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Posted : Jun 14, 2013 02:32
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On 2013-06-13 16:15, Colin OOOD wrote:
If Psytrance has become shit it is at least partly because promoters of many larger events have their own agendas (booking friends and acts associated with the labels many of them run) and are therefore reluctant to make bookings which don't directly benefit them in some way, and who tend to book acts that don't stray away from the formulas which define particular sub-genres, leading people to believe that what they see at festivals is the best the scene has to offer when this is far from the case. This encourages artists to stick to the established - tired, even - formulas in the hope of getting booked, leading to a lack of diversity and innovation in the scene as a whole. IMO/IME.
+10 000 000!
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Posted : Jun 18, 2013 19:35
and there's not many new people getting into psy production anymore... like there was before. the isra production forum was bursting with activity since 8 years ago or so.
most people I know that are starting to produce do not want to make psy music. they go into house or dubstep ...
to me is painfull to look at other scenes, even the popular ones and consider to get into them just because of money.
sometimes I wonder if psytrance is worth it and if I'm wrong by liking it :|
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Posted : Jun 18, 2013 20:18
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On 2013-06-18 19:35, splikz wrote:
to me is painfull to look at other scenes, even the popular ones and consider to get into them just because of money.
Better that than milking dead cow in this scene, of course if the motives are making some money, if it's about music and personal vision of it, than money shouldn't interfere at all in that, good old story when art becomes product
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Posted : Jun 19, 2013 02:32
I don't like the other scenes. feel like a total stranger.....
I feel angry when I see people with only 1 or 2 years of production making good money with progressive house or something... and me, after all these years, still not being able to live only as a musician.
stopping the offtopic.
Chemogen
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Posted : Jun 19, 2013 03:09
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sometimes I wonder if psytrance is worth it and if I'm wrong by liking it :|
I think we're all here because of the music.
In my opinion, a well produced, imaginative Psy track will smash anything from another style of electronic music. It is such a special sound that can be so emotional, complex and full of integrity.
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Posted : Jun 19, 2013 15:31
I've read this entire thread. One of the most interesting that have come up recently, in my opinion. I don't think we - as a community - should take this video seriously. Despite the fact that it's triggered a spiral of good thoughts here about the scene as a whole and where we stand today. Some very interesting thoughts in display here, most specially (in my opinion) where people have gone the extra mile and talked about how this whole thing relates to the economy.
Some people here get angry that there's more money in other scenes (like house or dubstep) and that it's kind of frustrating investing their time and effort into something that, more often then not, does not provide good revenues. I'm not going to argue against that: if profit is the main goal, most people would be better of doing something else entirely. But, and this is a big but, there's a clear distinction between value and profit. I think that our music (no problem talking like that) has a lot of value. It just doesn't translate into real profit on this economic environment. And that's because the economy, rather than being an abstract dimension of our reality that's self regulated by mostly mathematical terms, it is instead governed by an underlying ideology that puts money in everything that strengthens it's own values and vision (and even power structures) while everything that doesn't live up to this kind of standards is left to dry in the sand. Ideology is the key word here. And we all know where this has lead us all...
Now, the real questions:
are you willing to let the market rule your creativity? do you accept to live in a world where all ideas, all art, all everything that doesn't cut it in the economy is simply condemned to a premature death?
Hell no!
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Posted : Jun 20, 2013 15:25
Frisbeehead - the idealistic value of everyone's contribution being important and special is the problem. Because if everyone is special then no one is special.
There are no gatekeepers to keep the unimaginitive uncreative uninnovative mimicry from being played, making the rare sprinkling of rainbow sunshine track disappear in the special turd of mimic glut it adorns. Why? Because anyone poopooing a poopoo work is considered to be an asshole.
Start throwing rotten tomatoes at repetitive shit. See how quickly it'l get sorted out.
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Posted : Jun 20, 2013 19:36
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On 2013-06-19 15:31, frisbeehead wrote:
Some people here get angry that there's more money in other scenes (like house or dubstep) and that it's kind of frustrating investing their time and effort into something that, more often then not, does not provide good revenues. I'm not going to argue against that: if profit is the main goal, most people would be better of doing something else entirely. But, and this is a big but, there's a clear distinction between value and profit.
in my opinion, many of the psy stars are making music, purely driven by profit. their tracks sound repetive, with no emotion.. yet they are doing quite well. being booked to big festivals....
I wonder what is the psychedelism percentage in this kind of venues.
loud also posted the 10 reasons why they fell in love with psytrance.
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Posted : Jun 20, 2013 19:55
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I wonder what is the psychedelism percentage in this kind of venues.
That's just pure Decadence!
Reminds me of Hugh heffner's pool parties
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Posted : Jun 20, 2013 21:29
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On 2013-06-20 15:25, bukboy wrote:
Frisbeehead - the idealistic value of everyone's contribution being important and special is the problem. Because if everyone is special then no one is special.
There are no gatekeepers to keep the unimaginitive uncreative uninnovative mimicry from being played, making the rare sprinkling of rainbow sunshine track disappear in the special turd of mimic glut it adorns. Why? Because anyone poopooing a poopoo work is considered to be an asshole.
Start throwing rotten tomatoes at repetitive shit. See how quickly it'l get sorted out.
I don't think that bad musicians are to blame. Blame the labels and the event organizers that support them instead. That's also the reason most covers look like shit also, isn't it? Lack of professionalism. Enough said.
Now, the fact is that this music has been developing ever since it's conception - let's say goa trance - and everybody doing it has some references even those that started the whole thing. Only those with talent deliver something new to the equation and rest assured there will be other people doing it, then introducing their own take on it... Please enlighten me, what's wrong with that? This isn't some contest for the best musician out there, like some gladiator movie where only the best survive. I mean, think about it...
And you know what? Who cares that this bad musicians that are simply recycling the same old same old stuff are making it big? There's also people paying tickets to attend such things, right? Chances are, they like to make some real money there in the sun instead of pleasing people like you, right? People just download everything from the net anyways, so how can you blame them? They do what they do...
Now, I think that there's great truly psychedelic music out there. I just don't see how this guys with sunglasses and black t-shirts are stilling anything from you, or me or anyone else. If there's a public for the stuff you and I like, then it's a matter of getting our act together and make stuff the way we like. Besides, I don't like this guys music but... they have the skills to begin with, are you going to argue against that as well? Try the tomato thing
I feel that there's lack of professionalism throughout. That most labels out there are not what you call business: what do they do to promote their artists? Most of the times they have nasty looking web sites, awful covers, so forth and so on... Party organizers just want to make the big buck. They don't care for what's good music or not, they care for the artists that bring people to ear them play, that's all.
So... best way to go at it is to gather like minded people and do it your way - that's pretty much how it all started! Cheers
