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Posted : Jun 24, 2013 18:33
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Just listen to synth melodies from goa tracks and compare to almost all of nowadays. They could create sound as a synesthesia so you could close your eyes and imagine things as fractals and traveling through the universe. That´s the real psychedelic concept.
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I mostly just miss melodies not to make maybe a false picture for some minds so I mean music with atleast one main melody. A melody which is special and leads a mind to dive in and explore the musical journey and the whole world around the panorama.
More heart than maths like almost in all tracks from the past. There does not need to be a melodic overdosis (this hokus pokus wont happan that fast anyways),lots of those acid oriented tracks from the past, consisted of more than a note.
That's a totaly diffent subconscious story than a tale of almost only one note.
.. I also think that vibe and essence of todays Psytrance goes a bit away from psychedelic tribe concept into more aggresive oriented and maybe even more for the amphetamin speed society. The deep term psychedelic is unjustified for this genre today imho.Psychedelic is much more than most of that.
And fully agree with bukeboy, espescially without drugs music needs to be really more music; more creative, interesting or maybe more deep.It should be a journey into creatively scuptured worlds out of the innerst pure imagination. Atleast when it is feathered with the term psychedelic imo.
Saying that I confess I'm also not a hippy a hipster or a freak or something like all this. Just a guy who love psychedelic aspects in music.
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Posted : Jun 24, 2013 18:51
I don't think that the old music is better then the new. Or even that we need more melodic content in tracks for deeper cohesion and emotional power. If someone's feeling that, all it takes is to produce the music they'd like to ear. When it turns out good, people will enjoy it. I think there's space for everything, really. Some mathematical complexities can sound very psychedelic and stimulate the mind and body in very deep ways. I think the stratification of the public with all the sub genres and the degradation of labels and events - and perhaps even the concepts behind them - are what we need to pay attention to. Let music be, and let artists feel good producing the music they like. When that happens, I think a public will naturally emerge to enjoy this scene as it's probably to strong to just fade away completely. We're probably, of all the genres in electronic music, those who've been here for longer! There's something to it, I'm sure, this isn't just another trend of music aiming to be a market hit, this is something else entirely.
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Posted : Jun 24, 2013 19:11
yes but I don't enjoy one-note-music and psychedelic is multidimensional and most of guys from this odler times totaly forgot about psytrance, you see almost only youngsters and youth on nowadays psytrance parties.
that is because of this music that is not really that psy anymore, no matter who sweet the decor around is for example.
Each to his own.
Of course some mathemtatical construction can produce magic in music and all good music can be translated to math but formulas of simplest math translated in electronic music are not that psychedelic.There it would be better to forget it and use just the heart. Of course this is my personal perceptions. I can say around my old psy fam, nobody listens really anymore to psytrance, and I consider all of them as psychedelic spirits when I visit a festival or a party it is aboslutely differnt than it once was. I will most probably visit this year again some psyfests, maybe portugal and in groningen some 3 days at a party and some event called goa dupa in poland. This time I watch more where it goes. I would not go for a party in germany anymore. Hope for something special in other countries.
.. and not to forget, of coures let artist feel good, there exist some very good ones and I strongly believe the music comes from innerst and it sounds and is special, but I never claimed that there are not great artists. The avarage is different though. More than avarage hehe. However.
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Posted : Jun 24, 2013 23:39
Having been taking several music classes in my uni,with a guy who knows the shit out of a music (this guy opened my eyes to things Ive never thought exist in music,why stuff work).
He has said this thing about melodies :As a consept,melodies and harmony amongst classical music was allready outdated in 20 century.As a matter of fact,long before psytrance with its weird squelches,classical musicians of 20 century worked out concepts like Musique concrète.Concepts like serial music of Arnold Schoenberg (12 tone music),both are examples of atonal music (thought in difference senses).
Later example did use melodies,but in peculiar manner,absolutely atonal .
What I'm getting into,that good melody is not what differentiate between good or bad music.Saying goa is much better then psytrance of today is one dimentional thinking .
Good music-besides the fact that it reverbates in your being on acid ,is music that teases you -for your brains.It is music which constantly changes and makes you float-for you "soul" if i may call it that.It is sounds rich of harmony for your stomach - makes you feel gooooood,and full of good food and wine,feeds you with pleasure.
For example,that is how harmony works,as a food for brain-teasing.Listen to "also sprach zarathustra".It gives an excellent example how chordal harmony works well.It is teasing of you,and then providing what you want.
It gives you minor chords,which your brain recognises,as harmony inherited in each human to recognise.You long to something "natural" after the minor chord,but it keeps giving you the minor chords,and at last,in the end,it gives you the major chord you so want.Its like giving a candy to baby after playing with him.
Tention and release you call it.Deny the listener what he wants to hear,deny him some more,and then..Then deny it again.
And just then you give it.You can do it with melody,you can do it with harmony,you can do it with rythm.This is only one example how you can make music enoyable.
What today producers found out,is other quality human mind enjoy.Fat sounds with a lot of harmonies,it is like a big bowl of apple pie.Oh how we like those.It makes our neurons fire,it makes the hair of our nostrils tingle.
But that is all.Filling your composition with those,is nothing more then constantly feeding yourself with chocolate.It is instant gratification,but we all know how it ends.Eating a bowl of bass for breakfast makes you numb after a time,which is typical to our generation-we are all big fat short attention spam instant gratification whores.
No playing with expectation ,be it with rythm,harmony,or melody.No giving the mind something to think about-"why did he put this sound here,when i clearly expected something else now".Many here compose all the same way-build kicknbass,and then just twicking synths for a good sounds,and feeling the space till it sounds good-a good exersize for your patience,but not a lot of brain work.There is an element of randomness in this-and while not saying it is a bad thing,you cannot make your tracks time after time that way.(What is worth,some even don't tweak,they know their sounds and just feel the space,thus getting track after track which sound the same).
And music,like all good art,besides patience,besides trial and error, demands good brains.Some thinking.This is what differentiate artists,and ,well its a fact of live that each got different hand handed to him when he is born.But nothing stops you from playing poker with that hand,you can always evolve to your maximum.
Anyway,here is some series which I personally love,which explains major players in music as it is today-rythm,melody ,harmony and bass.Instead of learning how to make your bass fatter,I think people should also explore to some depth other things that makes the music work,and together we will do a better music for hopefully better century .
Melody.
Harmony.
Rythm
Bass .
Something also to point-music is not only what reverberates with every human in every point of planet,it is also cultural.Hearr something long enough and you start loving it.That is why some tunes grow on you,while first time they sounds weird.Listen to Thai traditional music for example,and it will sound weird to you.But to folks who listened it traditionaly it will sound good. This is also interesting idea-making music which uses different melody tuning so it sounds good to some culture but weird to other,but then giving the reward of "straightening" it to our western scales.Repeating this pattern will emerge in tension and release for both sides . Just some idea.
I hope what I wrote makes at least partial sense .
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Posted : Jun 25, 2013 00:09
if (most) modern psytrance were sex it would be like a guy who tries to seduce a girl by pounding the shit out of her relentlessly without foreplay and without altering position or stroke speed for 2 hours.
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"A" league? a perfect example of the loud example....
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Posted : Jun 25, 2013 13:22
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On 2013-06-25 00:09, willsanquil wrote:
if (most) modern psytrance were sex it would be like a guy who tries to seduce a girl by pounding the shit out of her relentlessly without foreplay and without altering position or stroke speed for 2 hours.
Brave metaphysical example...
Which crowd streams to which act and which act generates for which crowd ?
Would like to ask two questions:
How many woman produce psytrance / EDM ?
How many woman are in this forum ?
Maybe something still is a bit curious in some parts of the alternative music scenes...
Faxi's comment commented one core...
Maybe there is no need or no chance to talk about the true deeper things in the possiblitys of an unpolitical forum...
The video "why psytrance becomes shit" might be a very good "promotion" or a "joke" (343.189 clicks in one month)... Anyway...
Some peolpe know how to use the buttons...
For fun a time travel (20 years) :
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Posted : Jun 25, 2013 19:43
need time machine ^^
similar crowd and vibe you may still find it..but not easy
it s about the parties... my older friends were telling me it s was already dead in 95... and it was good time of goa trance..but it was already dying for the guys that enjoyed earlier.. the more time fly the worst it get since the 70
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Posted : Jun 25, 2013 20:41
most parties these days are just like normal raves. sometimes there's not even the typical psy decoration. they put just regular tents or whatever.
and people, just go there like they go to any kind of rave, of other music genres.........
is it good? is it bad?
there's almost nothing left of that unique vibe, not even the music.
I can not say that I totally dislike what is being played.
there's other people playing more dull minimalistic prog than this. and the crowd reacts to the strong kick and bass hammering....
and the person screaming on the dj's back
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Posted : Jun 25, 2013 23:53
VooV was the most psychedelic party and time I ever have expirienced.A shame what has happend to it nowadays imo.Bad luck Antaro left Germany in the first place.
yeah my friends also told me around 95 that goa is not anymore that what it once was, but they ment the goa in india. Tha parties aroundt that time in Hamburg was the greatest. Something absolutely different than anything of today.
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Posted : Jun 26, 2013 00:08
good parties these day for me are house parties 100 / 200 people or small free outdoors parties ..that only thing i m intrested to go..
even some friends that play in big parties ,who toured a lot tell me it s the best parties..it s more intime ,crowd know each others.. ect more like family parties, more love, good drugs for the one who enjoy it ect.. it feel like time didin t change much except that kind of parties you could have a few in a week in some place..and now it s a few for the whole season i guess..
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On 2013-06-26 00:08, PoM wrote:
good parties these day for me are house parties 100 / 200 people or small free outdoors parties ..that only thing i m intrested to go..
this
that was what I discover (and loved) when I first got into psy music. and it was pretty much enough.
but then I found out it was a very small pond.
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Posted : Jun 26, 2013 18:25
If you think psy-trance and its parties are shit, you haven't been to Goa lately.
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Posted : Jun 26, 2013 18:51
So you women already came up with a new formula?
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On 2013-06-26 18:25, Nectarios wrote:
If you think psy-trance and its parties are shit, you haven't been to Goa lately.
are talkin to me?
no, what I said is that scene was too small.
one thing is being able to tour worldwide and being able to come back to the smaller parties, whenever the artists feels the need.. or gets the chance to.
and the other is to be confined to the small local parties because the artists are too small
and I wish I could go to goa and travel more!!!
people can always change their sound to fit the money making side of the scene. moar triplets. and dub delay.
and most of guys from this odler times totaly forgot about psytrance, you see almost only youngsters and youth on nowadays psytrance parties.
