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Trip-
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 19:59
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@Nomolos - u lost the point i think.
Minimal as a concept is very artistic indeed.
but a full on track with only 2 sounds inside - going on maximum 2 notes - not only that it's not challenging my mind at all, or tickling it, but it's also beeing sold all over the world with most success in the scene...
so whatever Watter said or H2O or Kino Oko is all true - but it's been all said lotsa times - and frankly i stopped believing it's ever gonna change for this particular crowd.
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Lithium
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 20:03
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sorry Trip but i think minimal trance has much more to do with progressive trance than to full on with 2 sounds and 2 notes!!
full on with 2 sounds is not full on nor minimal nor whatever
but i think i might not be understanding really what you guys mean so could you just post some names of artists that make that full on with 2 notes ( the so called minimal !!) |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 20:43
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I get it. If complex is the opposite of minimal, then isn't that also applicable to today's full-on trends? Seriously. I was out at a party this weekend for the first time in a month for many hours and came home without having heard any music I really liked. Oh sure, plenty of nicely crafted high-energy sounds, but there were only seconds here and there where I heard actual LAYERS and signs of DEPTH and COMPLEXITY. If we look at the real root of the term 'minimal' divorced from the post-millenial trend/movement then I think it is actually a fairly accurate assessment to call today's full-on craze by that descriptive term.
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Anak
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 21:14
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first of all i would like to know, what you guys are refering to? minimal psytrance as we call it or minimal music in general? there are minimal tunes out there everywhere...fullon with every melodica sounding the same but different tone (minimal diversity but reachs a maximum of power), progressive with new elements dropping in any 32 bars (minimal buildup but reachs the maximum of storytelling diversity), everything...so hu?
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H2O
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 21:41
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Lithium , minimal is a concept. Fullon can be minimal also. Like Electric Universe is less minimal than Skazi (who uses ten channels for track, imho).
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Lithium
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 21:47
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minimal full on!!!
please give me names of minimal full on tracks or minimal full on artists cause i don´t really understand your definition of minimal, cause full on for me is not minimal at all... you can call it standart, but minimal.... |
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Lithium
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 22:00
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sorry H2O but i don´t agree with you, skazi is not minimal, and saying skazi is more minimal than electric universe, is like saying a 12 year old boy is "older" than a 11 year old, which doesn´t necessarily mean that the older one is " old " !! , so saying skazi is more minimal than electric universe does not mean that skazi is minimal..
please give me other minimal full on artists... |
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Anak
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 23:18
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 23:25
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Look beyond the descriptive terms and find some meaning here. Skazi is often very minimal by definition if you examine how many sounds are in play at any one time. The discussion is about complexity not energy - perhaps that explains some confusion here. Skazi is music with very minimal complexity, and full-on energy perhaps.
For listeners who with to experience layers, complexity makes a huge difference. It is partially why so many people are sick of the full-on trend that has gripped the scene - there's very little meat on those bones. Many tracks have simple ingredients: kick drum, hi-hat, bass line, off-beat snare, acidic noise, swooshing sound to signify transitions or build-ups. Slam this into a standard arrangement with intro, first breakdown, body, second breakdown, reprise, outro - and you have the full-on formula just about. Small deviations from this pattern do occur but this standard arrangement and lack of complexity is a primary complaint amongst detractors.
Compare this rigid and commonplace formula with an old way of producing, with unpredictable structure and wild arrays of sound, intricate percussion and deep layers of atmosphere all telling a clear and distinct story... why should you wonder that there are those who don't find the bulk of modern offerings all that exciting?
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 23:33
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Minimal produced to be minimal rocks
Tracks that just are minimal without supposed to be 'minimal' are not so good, but can be.
It always depends, but for the dancefloor it should be good minimal or good other styles with lot of action.
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 23:40
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On 2005-01-10 19:59, Trip- wrote:
@Nomolos - u lost the point i think.
Minimal as a concept is very artistic indeed.
but a full on track with only 2 sounds inside - going on maximum 2 notes - not only that it's not challenging my mind at all, or tickling it, but it's also beeing sold all over the world with most success in the scene...
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i agree 100% that a typical fullon built track with very few sounds is a real bore and a thinkers hell(not like reg' FullOn which is a real Brainer!!)but to be honest i dont know of any FullOn which is like that and is released(or popular) and when some one refers to Minimal with in the Psytrance world we all know what it means(i would be happy to provide names)any one that wears the "i meant Minimal fullon" mask is just beeing silly....and if thats what the original post refers too....im sorry for not understanding!
Cheers.
p.s Watter is about to explain what he means.....but use the wrong term again.....LETS START THIS TOPIC AGAIN BY SAYING THAT U ARE BORED OF UN COMPLEX MUSIC(not Minimal)...and i would be able to pull back all my babble and sleep softly.... "....or is it???"
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Watter
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 23:42
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basilisk u got my point... I'm not talking about a gener but about a tendency of less complexity..... it is about taste but I think PSY is more complex.... minimal tracks may be good for dance flore but I don't think they have the essence of PSYTRANCE...
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H2O
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Posted : Jan 11, 2005 00:35
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Lithium, i did not said Skazi is minimal. Watter talks about concept in today's music, there is no minimal fullon or progressive. just minimal sample usage. but again it is just my own opinion.
Basilisk, thanks |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jan 11, 2005 00:57
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Most 'full-on' and a lot of 'dark' music released these days is extremely simple - what I also call 'minimal' - it's hard house with a better bassline. A lot of dancefloor emphasis, minimal brain-stimulation. Making real psychedelic music takes a lot more effort. Really hope this trend reverses in the coming year.
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Ron Lyner
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Posted : Jan 11, 2005 13:24
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On 2005-01-10 21:41, H2O wrote:
Lithium , minimal is a concept. Fullon can be minimal also. Like Electric Universe is less minimal than Skazi (who uses ten channels for track, imho).
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fullon cant be minimal..
because black cant be white
and night cant be day
minimal is minimal and fullon is fullon
fullon can be progressive but not minimal
fullon can be 150bpm and can be 130bpm, but it always stays fullon
same for minimal.
maybe skazi uses 10 channels for a track but he makes alots of noise with these 10 channels and noise cant be minimal..
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