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why must trance be listened to at absolute maximum volume indoors?
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aXis
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Posted : Jun 30, 2009 06:34
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agreed |
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Jul 1, 2009 19:54
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turn it up!!!
killer song ocelot....one of my favs..
you must have made it for a reason?!
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Kane
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Posted : Jul 1, 2009 21:03
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It's ridiculous that we don't take care of our ears in this scene when we have absolute control over the volume of everything. I can understand not being able to turn down a drum set..that's where earplugs are a must. It's just annoying to have to roll off all of the highs to not go deaf when turning one knob could fix the problem for everyone. I guess there's a stigma in being the guy who tells everyone to turn it down all night.
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V3NOM
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Posted : Jul 2, 2009 08:52
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It is very silly the way the scene works.
I have started wearing ear plugs to both psy trance, rock and heavymetal gigs for last few years but for me is too late as I have already developed tinnitus to the point where it sometimes induces vomiting and sever balance loss.
It is not worth it at all.
I find migraines much more pleasant, at least they eventually go away.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jul 2, 2009 21:39
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Earplugs are great but I find I have a problem with them
When I wear earplugs, the bass from the subs distorts so that it bleeds into the midrange (if you can imagine the sound a bass drum makes when you loosen all the screws on the resonant head, that's what it sounds like), and therefore I can't hear the mids or highs at all.
I have 10 db musician earplugs and also 30 db cheap foam earplugs, and this happens more often when I wear the 10 db ones, although it happens with the 30 db ones as well if it's a really BIG soundsystem.
It's frustrating because usually earplugs make everything sound BETTER, but sometimes it only sounds good without them; I want to hear good music but I don't want to kill my ears 
Usually I end up wearing the earplugs and trying to find a spot where the subs cancel out, but then I don't feel the bass!
The worst was at psymbolic 5 when they had ridiculous amounts of subs and dubstep on the main stage. I could sit at the BACK of the huge room at the gingerbread house and still have my ears be in pain, and if I put earplugs in all I heard was pthbbttt |
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blom
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Posted : Jul 2, 2009 21:46
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So agreed with every word, Ocelot! |
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Jul 3, 2009 11:24
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its because loud music increases the probability of you buying more alcohol
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 3, 2009 16:53
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On 2009-06-28 02:47, RK9 wrote:
the bass has to be loud to feel it move through your body, and then the highs/mids have to be loud or you won't be able to hear them over the bass
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Bzzt... wrong! Our ears are actually capable of hearing more than one frequency at a time. Agreed, the bass should be loud enough to feel, but the top end DOES NOT DOES NOT DOES NOT DOES NOT need to be equally as loud! Just loud enough at the back of the room to make dancing more comfortable than talking. Also - PA system engineers - just cos you can't hear between 3K and 5K any more doesn't mean the rest of us can't. Turn down the screech from your piezo tweeters!
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jul 3, 2009 17:40
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On 2009-07-03 16:53, Colin OOOD wrote:
Bzzt... wrong! Our ears are actually capable of hearing more than one frequency at a time.
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Yeah but subwoofers are not perfect and if they're turned up too high (like they always are) they start to put out midrange frequencies that sound like crap. Or maybe my eardrums are broken, but that's what it sounds like to me. |
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 3, 2009 18:00
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On 2009-06-27 04:10:30, ocelot wrote:
why must trance be listened to at absolute maximum volume indoors?
it hurts my ears, your ears, your friends ears...
everyone swears they won't be that loud when its soundcheck...
but then when its party time its 4 reds on the dj-mixer all night long...
ear damage only shows up after some years you know... just because its ok tomorrow doesnt mean you didnt do damage.
orgs- get some earplugs to give away-
hire a good sound person to tune the system and if they are not respecting the delicate ears of everyone get a new sound-guy. politics or not-
dj's- the track is good or not. turning it up will not help. get over it. have some respect for your ears. they are your tools
producers- times 10!!!!!
guy dancing in the front always saying "turn it up!" - no. and stop asking for it moron.
if you need more sonic impact its probably because your sound-system is not set up right or is not large enough or is too spread out...
turning the volume up will only hurt things...
tiles, stones, concrete, brick, hard surfaces, ouch... these reflective surfaces make sound splatter all over the place
proper acoustic treatment of a room will clean up the sound.
eq will not help AT ALL.
respect the ears yo!
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I remember a certain incident in Iowa where you did the same thing, and constantly kept going over to the sound guy's table trying to alter things... don't open up that can of worms man.
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daark
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Posted : Jul 3, 2009 18:12
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On 2009-07-03 16:53, Colin OOOD wrote:
Also - PA system engineers - just cos you can't hear between 3K and 5K any more doesn't mean the rest of us can't.
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AMEN!And the Artists should take responsibility too.
Loud is good but not too much.I usually go take a trip away from the dance floor often because of that.Where is that music that can keep me dancing non stop? http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
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Posted : Jul 4, 2009 00:05
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I'm so happy to see this thread!!! I've worked as a FOH engineer for years, own a decent (around 15kw) soundsystem, and I produce and spin psytrance... and it annoys the SHIT out of me that so many people in this scene insist on playing stuff so damn loud.
I definitely agree that trance needs to be played loud enough (and most importantly, with enough clean, low bass) that listening is a physical and immersive experience, but at a certain point it just becomes abusive and ridiculous. More volume isn't gonna make a bad track or an inadequate/poorly tuned soundsystem better!
And as for DJs running in the red constantly, there very few things that annoy me more. Input distortion does NOT sound good!!!! Plus, most people who own good systems know enough to have a Driverack or some other DSP with a brick-wall limiter right before their amps - in which case cranking the gain at the mixer will only yield distortion and an overcompressed, shitty sounding signal. And it's disrespectful to the owner of the soundsystem, because speakers are much more likely to be damaged when they are being fed a distorted signal, even if the FOH guy turns the mains down. I find it almost laughable how many DJs I encounter who know absolutely nothing about signal flow and gain structure.
As purveyors of music, DJs or producers, it strikes me as so completely absurd that so many of us don't seem to understand that if we damage peoples' hearing, we are ruining our audiences' ability to appreciate our art-form. Like a photographer who makes a hobby of stabbing people in the eyes... it's just dumb.
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MsoB
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Posted : Jul 4, 2009 00:05
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on a more positive note, there are some really good, cheap ways to protect your ears. etymotic makes a re-usable, fairly flat response earplug, the er20, that is quite good and very reasonably priced (around $10, US). The custom molded ones are, of course better, and worth the money for anyone serious about any career in music. And +1 for event organizers giving away cheap, disposable plugs!!!
I've recently started using in ear monitors when I play, and though it took some getting used to, now I'm really starting to like it. They are great because unlike most headphones, they are *really* isolating , so you never need to crank them up really loud to hear stuff clearly - plus they protect you from excessive stage volume (for those that perform with other musicians, especially drummers). But you do lose that sexy "DJ with headphones" image...
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 4, 2009 00:13
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jul 4, 2009 00:31
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On 2009-07-03 18:00, mubali wrote:
I remember a certain incident in Iowa where you did the same thing, and constantly kept going over to the sound guy's table trying to alter things... don't open up that can of worms man.
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