Why isnt psytrance big in the u.s?

On 2008-11-03 22:12, Kane wrote:

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The fact that there are x% of blacks in the US doesn't matter as far as attendence, what matters is that their culture in America is about hip-hop/rap music, getting crunk and finding some big booty hoes to screw (to put it blatantly).

Again, why am I the only one here who can distinguish between stereotype and reality? The majority of white youth culture in the US is about hip hop as well. There are less black/chinese/muslim people at parties in the US because there are less black/chinese/muslim people in the US than whites, and that's all there is to it.

On 2008-11-03 23:31, Ascension wrote:

From that viewpoint there should be an equal percent of blacks at parties as there are in the US- this is not true. Black people like hip-hop because it is their culture, this is not a stereotype, they grow up into it. A lot of white people like hip-hop, but not all of them go to hip-hop shows (see: most hip-hop concerts at the house of blues in chicago ). Why do you think there are almost 0 black people at country concerts? I maybe see 1 for every 1000 white people - yes, sadly I've been to some. It's culture, not stereotype. I was being blunt in my statement about blacks and their love of hip-hop, but if you talked to some they'd probably say the same thing (as some have said that to me almost word for word). We just threw a party outside Peoria, IL which has a large black population and only 2 showed up (who we all know and who always come to our shows) - to me that's not a percentage thing.

I know a lot of younger people who produce in the US as well, but I was refering to producers who have released tracks. The youngest US producer I know of to release something is Mr. Black. Other than that, most are out of their early 20s.


I'm just saying that, in my opinion, my statements hold a lot more water than you think.

On 2008-11-04 07:31, full_on wrote:

Bottom line: it is big because it has no psychedelic aspect whatsoever, and instead it is commercial to the bone. You buy your place in the party instead of being part of it.

On 2008-11-04 03:30, Kane wrote:

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On 2008-11-03 23:31, Ascension wrote: From that viewpoint there should be an equal percent of blacks at parties as there are in the US- this is not true. Black people like hip-hop because it is their culture, this is not a stereotype, they grow up into it. A lot of white people like hip-hop, but not all of them go to hip-hop shows (see: most hip-hop concerts at the house of blues in chicago ). Why do you think there are almost 0 black people at country concerts? I maybe see 1 for every 1000 white people - yes, sadly I've been to some. It's culture, not stereotype. I was being blunt in my statement about blacks and their love of hip-hop, but if you talked to some they'd probably say the same thing (as some have said that to me almost word for word). We just threw a party outside Peoria, IL which has a large black population and only 2 showed up (who we all know and who always come to our shows) - to me that's not a percentage thing. I know a lot of younger people who produce in the US as well, but I was refering to producers who have released tracks. The youngest US producer I know of to release something is Mr. Black. Other than that, most are out of their early 20s. I'm just saying that, in my opinion, my statements hold a lot more water than you think.

I see what you're saying..I just found that last statement pretty judgmental. I'll agree that black people are more attached to hip hop culture than whites are to rock or pop. I still don't see the popularity of psytrance in the US as something about race or religion, it's just a social thing.

Btw, I'm 99.6% sure I'm the youngest released producer in the US..Brandon is pretty far off.

On 2008-11-04 09:47, Login wrote:
I think we got really confused in this topic. If detox argumments were that psytrance wasnt popular because of othe racial/ethnic groups I think that argument is flawed.

however, the hypothesis of psytrance being less popular in some ethnic/racial/religious groups than in white/meztizo ones can stand a survey.

On 2008-10-27 05:47, ZeRo wrote:
can a mod please delete the post by user named lord_bhairava in this thread? I find his statement to be offensive as well as inaccurate.

psychedelic drugs were popularized to a large degree in the united states from the 50s until today by timothy leary, terrence mckenna, etc.

some of the most psychedelic music in the world is being made here by american jews and non-jews, african-americans and caucasians. some examples- ocelot, mubali, random, gregh on earth, shapestatic, the nommos, GOA GIL, etc etc.

IN fact i would venture to say that the united states has an incredibly ethnically, religiously, and racially diverse scene. I dont know the demographic statistics in other places but at parties in nyc you regularly have representation from japan, india, united states, mexico, china, korea, russia, israel.

NOW I pose different questions. Why is it that in america trance still stands for something? why is it that in america the trance scene has resisted the commercialization that it has seen in other countries?