Krod20
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 16:31
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I stand corrected! I guess there is scene in the bible belt!
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 17:41
I cant believe nobody has common sense to understand what Detox is saying.
I know that making generalization is not very accurate, but in the end if we make some survey on the uSA about psytrance I'm sure we can verify his hypothesis.
The cases many of you is quoting about black people and other racial/religiuos groups doesnt take us in to accurate conclusions either, inductive knowledge is by far more misleading.
The fact tha black, muslims and chinese are less likely to hear psytrance has a big chance of being true.
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 17:59
But we are talking about minorities, the fact that in US the electronic music in general is not so popular as it is in Europe for example it is more probable as one of the reasons that the psytrance is not that big in US , on the other hand for sure we went offtopic discussing the facts about religion and so.
Also the fact of their culture and enthical structure is also a important case in this question. but saying that cause of blacks, muslims and chinese the psytrance in US is not big is what I don't agree.
relatively in France or Germany there are as much muslims as in US or even more, but psytrance is developped and also got attention of those groups. At the end there are several reasons for it as we can see but for sure not the fact that there are black, muslims and chinese in US, there are other ethnic groups aswell like Hispanic that neither are attched to psyculture.
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 19:01
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On 2008-10-29 00:08, donald wrote:
sorry guys but many of you, are waiting in the corner to expres your fake "civilization"..
ofcourse the relegion its a big reason that the muslims dont or they cant understand psy music...what else could be the reason?
they cant even drink a beer on ramazani days and if someone do it the reactink like hi is made big crime...
for the blacks i really dont understand why psy music its not so popular. the reasons thta detox say sound verry logic...but i say it again i dont have personnal opinion about this...
last think, for the topic about the states,all this situation with the fear for everything that exist at the states, keep the scene still, more underground then europe,wich is a think that for me its way better then to make psy music mainstream
I guess you mean ramadan which is the month of fasting. Well my experience in Indonesia shows that not everyone takes that so seriously especially the younger people who have plenty of time later in life to get closer to god. In fact they managed to drink beer and local made whiskey while smoking cigarettes and pot. Being early nineties they like to listen to Bob Marley allot but I would not be surprised if they like some trance now especially since they were somewhat into shrooms!
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Posted : Nov 2, 2008 12:02
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ADIGROOVY if religion has nothing to do with psy trance then feel free to go to Saudi Arabia and host a party there and see what will happen.
I have a friend who lives in Saudi Arabia & they do psytrance parties over there by renting a prince's palace.
I'm muslim & from pakistan & i produce psytrance as well so you would be surprised at what stuff happens around the world! One shouldn't make such sweeping generalistaions.
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Posted : Nov 2, 2008 20:14
^^ Again: one case doesnt undermine the hypothesis, because its says "its less likely" ...
The point is: if you make surveys on about 10,000 people of each (black, muslim and white/meztizo), it will be more likely to find psytrance listeners in the later.
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^^^ummmmm and were saying all white are what?
why are u categorizing some by religion and some by color?
im still confused here!
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I guess you mean ramadan which is the month of fasting.
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Posted : Nov 3, 2008 13:14
ok I have no common sence and the psytrance is not so big in us because of blacks, muslims and chinese, is the conclusion
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Posted : Nov 3, 2008 14:17
Religion I think plays a very small role into what kind of music may influence you. India has a huge population of Muslim people and I know tons of Muslims listening to Psytrance and doing what a lot of people in this culture do. I think it has a lot to do with the country you live in and the laws which you have to abide by. Muslim countries do have strong laws and some scary if caught doing these things but it doesn't necessarily mean it's against the religion.
As for the USA, the 5 years that I spent over there and what I can gather is a generalized hatred for "Techno punks and hippies". A lot also to do with them being democrats, but I'm not saying it's political either.
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Posted : Nov 3, 2008 21:02
Major reasons why psy isn't big in the US:
1. It's not pop culture here. Rap and rock are huge, they are about making a lot of money and getting laid. This is the mainstream culture in the US. The first question I get from people, who aren't in the psy scene, when I tell them I'm djing at a show is "do you get paid" or "how much money do you make for shows". When I say none, they seem surprised since it is different from what most people expect (they all think you dj to play in some club or big party to make lots of money).
2. Almost no Americans grow up listening to psytrance (or any electronic music). Just take a look at the ages of US producers compared to those in other countries (or other forms of music in the US). They tend to be several years older. Not many Americans get dj equipment or production equipment when they are in junior high or high school - they get a guitar, drums, keyboard or sing in a band.
3. Americans in general do not listen to electronic music (and definitely not to psytrance). Americans expect vocals in their music, they expect normal sounding instruments to be used, they expect it to be slower than 145 bpm, they expect someone good looking to be behind the production of it, and so on. None of these expectations are met with psytrance, so not many people get into it.
4. Psytrance's links to Buddhism and spirituality are unfamiliar to Americans. The only thing close to this that is popular to some in America is meditation, but most of those people couldn't tell you who Buddha was anyway. Things that people are unfamiliar with scare people, so they don't want to try it out plain and simple.
5. Psytrance parties are viewed as raves in America, which have a horribly negative connotation. Laws get passed to shut raves down, ordinaces are passed in cities to have all venues closed by a certain time of night, there has even been legislation to make promoters fully responsible for ANYTHING that happens at a party. Since adults share these misconceptions about psytrance parties, they allow these laws and ordinances to be passed and think that they are doing it to save their kids. Uninformed people expect these parties to be a bunch of pill popping teenagers swinging glowsticks around, staring at a strobe light all night. Not many people are willing to accept the spiritual aspects of what happens at a psy party and those in the rave scene don't go to psy parties because they're not raves.
The fact that there are x% of blacks in the US doesn't matter as far as attendence, what matters is that their culture in America is about hip-hop/rap music, getting crunk and finding some big booty hoes to screw (to put it blatantly).
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Posted : Nov 3, 2008 22:12
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It's not pop culture here. Rap and rock are huge, they are about making a lot of money and getting laid.
Would you judge electronic music by what you hear on European radio? There's just as much of an underground in both of those genres.
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Not many Americans get dj equipment or production equipment when they are in junior high or high school - they get a guitar, drums, keyboard or sing in a band.
ROFL. I got FL Studio for my birthday when I was 12. This may have been true a 5 years ago, but I'm seeing a lot of young people (<25) DJing and producing in the US scene now.
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Psytrance parties are viewed as raves in America, which have a horribly negative connotation. Laws get passed to shut raves down, ordinaces are passed in cities to have all venues closed by a certain time of night, there has even been legislation to make promoters fully responsible for ANYTHING that happens at a party. Since adults share these misconceptions about psytrance parties, they allow these laws and ordinances to be passed and think that they are doing it to save their kids. Uninformed people expect these parties to be a bunch of pill popping teenagers swinging glowsticks around, staring at a strobe light all night. Not many people are willing to accept the spiritual aspects of what happens at a psy party and those in the rave scene don't go to psy parties because they're not raves.
+1, and probably the most valid point in this thread.
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The fact that there are x% of blacks in the US doesn't matter as far as attendence, what matters is that their culture in America is about hip-hop/rap music, getting crunk and finding some big booty hoes to screw (to put it blatantly).
Again, why am I the only one here who can distinguish between stereotype and reality? The majority of white youth culture in the US is about hip hop as well. There are less black/chinese/muslim people at parties in the US because there are less black/chinese/muslim people in the US than whites, and that's all there is to it.
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there you go . Ascension just put up the full story in one post, very good . i would paraphrase by saying . race, color, or religion don't matter or effect much to the growth of the US psy scene, the main factor that i see is that psy-trancers are a minority or our own, even in the general population of people who listen to electronic produced music. everyone is entitled to there own likes and dislikes, BUT most of the people here only listen to the music that media tells them is popular, or else get into scenes that are about checking eachothers fashion out and feeling superior for the scene you are in.
ahh well what its really about though is hiding our parties from all seeing eyes of big brother, they have certain preconcievied ideas about what goes on when psytrance is being played. so we'll keep it underground. www.geomagnetic.tv/artists/random.html www.myspace.com/randompsy www.myspace.com/randomrobot
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Posted : Nov 3, 2008 23:05
as I have tried to explain, but some don want even to try to understand other points of view, they just stick with their own idea, (ignorance?)
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