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Why isnt psytrance big in the u.s?
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DETOX
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Posted : Oct 26, 2008 01:46
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Read Street Corner Society by William Foote Whyte and you will understand why that 30% is one of the reasons that psy trance is not big in USA and you will also understand why the rest 69.5% (the rest 0.5% are Native Americans the original Americans) is also more attached to its local traditions and not very open to foreign introductions (apart the ones introduced by the country of residency in this case USA) especially in the culture sector like music for example.
Like i said in the beggining its a CULTURE issue especially in USA that is a structure of all world cultures blended together and where people (some more and some less) feel like strangers in a strange land.
And like i said in the end thats the end of discussion and please learn to respect that.
Lets say (inspired by your signature) that i just pissed on this topic and walked away like a dog that i am 
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Wizack Twizack
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Posted : Oct 26, 2008 02:20
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Posted : Oct 26, 2008 03:21
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detox: so u can make sweeping remarks, tell me to read a book to understand ur remarks and then tell me to respect that U want it to be the end of the discussion.......
WOW!
easy way out!
gnite!
"END THE OCCUPATION!"
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Kane
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Posted : Oct 26, 2008 03:56
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On 2008-10-25 23:49, DETOX wrote:
Black people love 50 Cent and gangsta rap groups what the heck seems strange to you about that or why this has to sound insulting or something?
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Would you be offended if I said "people that listen to psytrance like Skazi"?
This is the point I'm trying to make..millions of white and hispanic people in the US listen to rap too. You're looking at a stereotype, not necessarily reality.
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In any case i believe that Chinese people,Muslims and black people are not very likely to prefer psy trance than other kinds of music for a million of reasons (including the fact that electronic music was invented and developed in Europe while African and Asian countries prefer more traditional instruments) and i cant see how someone can argue about that.
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But white people are so much more likely to listen to psytrance? If you're going to generalize, you can't say that a black person won't listen to psytrance because of hip hop culture, but a white person will just ignore their stereotypical rock/pop/alternative culture and get into psy.
As far as I know, taste in music isn't genetic.
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lord_bhairava
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Posted : Oct 26, 2008 04:16
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-heroine, cocaine, marihuana are more popular than psychedelics
-MTV not shows psytrance videoclips (well may be one of infected or gms every year hehe)
-american jews are more interested on make "dollars"
-they dont have real psychedelic artist enough
-they are bussy seeing youtube popular videos, eating hamburguers in mcdonalds and buying in wal mart
-the dont have musical taste
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Riton
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Posted : Oct 26, 2008 05:17
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^ best post evargh
fkn amerikan j00z!
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Remy [POF]
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Posted : Oct 26, 2008 15:39
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blablabla....
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 26, 2008 16:08
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Oh and psy trance USED TO be made up mostly by minorities,not anymore since the scene has gone 100% commercial for various reasons including the development of the internet which made this music very very popular.
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Out of all people, you know better than to say that psy-trance has gone 100% commercial.
You can't seriously put Skazi, IM and the rest of the israeli pop/cheese brigade on the same boat as Kox Box, Tristan and Allaby for example, simply becase psyshop has them under the category of psychedelic trance.
Just like most kinds of music, there is a commercial side of things and then (especially in psy-trance) there is all the stuff below that surface that sounds completely different and is embraced by different audiences as well.
Psy-trance (and that does not include Skazi, or IM with those vocals that make you cringe) is still very much made up of minority groups.
Peace out.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 26, 2008 16:34
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On 2008-10-26 01:01, Remy [POF] wrote:
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On 2008-10-25 19:56, pipe&slippers wrote:
but it does not mean I absolutely want to have a mansion full of half naked maids, dusting my crotch whilst I am drinking straight out of a bottle of Courvoisier XO (*)
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why not? sounds like fun 
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On 2008-10-25 19:56, pipe&slippers wrote:
(*) Just want to make absolutely clear that although I said I don't feel like I HAVE to pursue that kind of life, I may not mind ending up living it
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ZeRo
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Posted : Oct 27, 2008 05:47
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can a mod please delete the post by user named lord_bhairava in this thread? I find his statement to be offensive as well as inaccurate.
psychedelic drugs were popularized to a large degree in the united states from the 50s until today by timothy leary, terrence mckenna, etc.
some of the most psychedelic music in the world is being made here by american jews and non-jews, african-americans and caucasians. some examples- ocelot, mubali, random, gregh on earth, shapestatic, the nommos, GOA GIL, etc etc.
IN fact i would venture to say that the united states has an incredibly ethnically, religiously, and racially diverse scene. I dont know the demographic statistics in other places but at parties in nyc you regularly have representation from japan, india, united states, mexico, china, korea, russia, israel.
NOW I pose different questions. Why is it that in america trance still stands for something? why is it that in america the trance scene has resisted the commercialization that it has seen in other countries? ein chadash tachat hashemesh. there is nothing new under the sun. --kohelet. |
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aXis
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Posted : Oct 27, 2008 07:46
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LOl fanny postings here . |
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Ascension
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Posted : Oct 27, 2008 19:01
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On 2008-10-26 04:16, lord_bhairava wrote:
-heroine, cocaine, marihuana are more popular than psychedelics
-MTV not shows psytrance videoclips (well may be one of infected or gms every year hehe)
-american jews are more interested on make "dollars"
-they dont have real psychedelic artist enough
-they are bussy seeing youtube popular videos, eating hamburguers in mcdonalds and buying in wal mart
-the dont have musical taste
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http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
www.chilluminati.org - Midwest based psytrance group |
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mubali
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Posted : Oct 28, 2008 08:54
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On 2008-10-24 21:03, DETOX wrote:
plus the fact that 30% of the population belongs in ethnicities that have absolutely nothing to do with psy trance (like muslims,black people and the chinese for example)
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Never seen a black or chinese guy at a party here. Ever.
Fucking retard.
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I've seen people of chinese decent and of african decent at in places such as Portugal, France, Israel, Spain, as well as the United States, and just because you haven't seen one, doesn't mean we don't exist.
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mubali
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Posted : Oct 28, 2008 09:26
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And Detox..... I've been releasing music for a few years now, I think that despite what you may feel about the type of music that I make, you can at least respect that I am more than just a dj.
Back to the topic as a whole.... there's a few historical occurrences that have a great deal to do with why some ethnic groups living in the US might not be as interested in psychedelic trance.
During the 60's... right during the psychedelic movement and the onset of the hippie movement, there was another movement going on, the Civil rights movement....
There's even to this day some racial tension still quite present in relationship to how the african american community even one generation ago still has a general sense of distrust to many other ethnic groups. But especially during the 60's when such more militant groups such as the black panther party had much more of a direct influence over the general community.
Of course there were quite a few hippies that really really were integral in the Civil Rights Movement, however due to the connections between certain mind altering substance, many leaders of the political agencies that were integral in this movement felt that the hippies hurt more than helped and especially during the 60's, LSD was pretty closed to demonized in the african-american community being portrayed as being the agent of the "white devil" to keep the movement from being taken seriously. For instance, many leaders of similarly militant civil rights groups completely black listed Jimi Hendrix, using such offensive terms as "Uncle Tom" or "Whitey's Acid Puppet" and urged the communities to keep their youth from associating with that music and people associated with that.
Subsequently, just coming from the african-american perspective... Most of the music that is classified as having "urban roots" doesn't really mention psychedelics very often... There's a few recognized soul artists that made some songs about it during the 70's, but not quite as well publicized as many of their other commercially oriented songs. Even when you look at what is considered popular in todays standards, you very rarely find artists who discuss psychedelics. as a generalization cocaine, marijuana, and mdma are talked about a great deal more than lsd or mushrooms.
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Adigroovy
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Posted : Oct 28, 2008 11:31
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+1 @Mubali
Question: why is psytrance not that big in USA?
answer Detox: cause chinese, muslims and afro amercian don't have interests in psytrance lol.
man and the worst is he think he makes so much sence. lol.
Btw. detox for your records as example and answer to your statement muslims don't listen to psytrance?? wtf has the religion with psytrance to do, i always thought for the past 11 years the scene and the varieted public and the harmony in it was cause most of the crowd shares the interests and values without any ethnical, religious or what so ever thoughts, and differences thats what atracts me into the scene. For your records go to France or marroko to party and you will see black africans, muslim ones, asian ones, nordic ones and all types of people (we are one) at least in that point of view. so Mr. allknow the best before generalising and making statements without sence like this and you come here to tell the people they have to read?? give me a break
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