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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 13:00
Come on. Goa was overrun by Russian and Israeli druggies to such an extend that nobody want to go there anymore. Except for those Russian and Israeli druggies.
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 15:45
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On 2010-04-29 08:47, Run Lola wrote:
@ascension, I understand that you prefer having a small scene in the midwest and you feel that it needs to be conserved, but I feel that you guys are being a bit over protective! I remember chilluminati cancelling a party in chicago because some other crew was organizing a party 3 weeks after in Iowa!
When did that party cancellation happen? We actually did an indoor last year a week before an iowa party (that venue actually burned down so no more shows there). That one was in central IL, and there's only about 1 place in the chicago burbs that allows psy parties (places downtown just want large attendance and people buying drinks- 2 things that don't happen).
I wouldn't say we're being over protective at all, but it's hard to run a large show with only a couple of people- so we're not exactly shooting for the moon- more so going for sustainability. The scene in minneapolis has blown up over the past 2 years and we'll probably get 550-600 people at sacred earth this year.
The scene is still growing here and a lot of the newer people are becoming more involved, more people are producing and playing live sets, more people are contributing deco and more new people are coming to parties. Overall I'd say we're going in the right direction and keeping a good eye on not going beyond our means.
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 19:41
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In san Fran, the crowd was top! had an amazing time, the people are more open, and there was a nice friendly vibe!
You are comparing a megapolis with probably the most liberal and outgoing population in the country with a generally conservative land of corn fields. I've never been to Minnesota - maybe it's different there. But the spirit of Midwest (away from Chicago, Madison and Detroit proper) is overall pretty reserved. I am sure this is reflected in the way people party too.
Ascension, I hope Lola is wrong about your intentions to keep it small in the Midwest. I'd love to visit a party or a festival and not have to take a plane there. Is there anything going on in the Midwest closer to the coast: Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh?
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 21:24
Hehe yeah we're definitely not keeping it small. 2 years ago we had like 350 people at sacred earth, last year 450 and this year like I said will probably be 550+.
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 22:29
Cool!
Speaking about the line-up: plenty of people there are from Ashland, NC. Interesting...
Still - can you tell me if there is anything interesting in the Rust Belt? Well, I guess Buffalo is still the Rust Belt and Toronto is pretty close there. But I am asking about something in the US.
On 2010-04-29 13:00, Beat Agency wrote:
Come on. Goa was overrun by Russian and Israeli druggies to such an extend that nobody want to go there anymore. Except for those Russian and Israeli druggies.
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Cool!
Speaking about the line-up: plenty of people there are from Ashland, NC. Interesting...
Still - can you tell me if there is anything interesting in the Rust Belt? Well, I guess Buffalo is still the Rust Belt and Toronto is pretty close there. But I am asking about something in the US.
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Posted : Apr 30, 2010 00:36
^
Thanks a lot.
Wow, Canton - who would've thought?!..
It's practically in my back yard - hope these guys will not quit.
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Posted : May 1, 2010 12:32
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On 2008-10-24 21:03, DETOX wrote:
Different Culture,Mixed Ethnicities,Strict Authorities,Big Competition and a matter of timing.
USA is a very complicated country and mostly it introduces new trends to the world (poker,massive television series like Lost and Prison Break and Starbucks just to name a few recent ones) rather than adopting new trends from other countries.
So big competition and different culture as i said earlier,add to these two the strict authorities that would never allow a big psy trance festival in a major american city plus the fact that 30% of the population belongs in ethnicities that have absolutely nothing to do with psy trance (like muslims,black people and the chinese for example) and you can see why psy trance isnt popular in the USA.
This is a strange statement, Detox, and I value your perspective, but I would like to contradict some parts of your thesis.
First of all, the statement about the ethnicities in the U.S. , which is certainly not meant like a racial statement ( i hope ), but is nevertheless just not appropriate in terms of objective history of electronic music.
It is not a secret that techno arose in the U.S. , in Detroit, and btw it was the very first style that connected white and non-white people to this extent on our planet. For the first time the non-white population was really facinated by the repetitive rhythms and it was also the first time that black music was influenced by european music. The first pioneers of techno are Juan Atkins or later Jeff Mills, both are black musicians. What does this say to us - well, even if the roots of electronic music can be seen in Europe, the roots of repetitive electronic music are in the U.S. and they come from an interraction with black music. This is the ethnicity to which we all have to be thankful for the appearance of techno music.
Statements that techno arose in Europe might be very patriotic and nice, but it is not true: objectively seen some europeans just started to label some styles with the word techno ( including industrial, edm, acid house) AFTER musicians from detroit or chicago released the rhythmical beats of techno or house.
Just wanted to give an objective statement as an argument to this discussion.
As far as the question why is trance not so wide spread in the U.S. - i first wanna say, hey guys, be LUCKY that it is not wide spread. It must be a real paradise to come and play in Europe at some commercial bullshit trance events and then go back home and dive into the real underground:)))). Fucking amazing. But no, lets stay objective. I believe the reason is just the social circumstances.
1. The social welfare in countries like Germany make it possible, as Ocelot said, that you are poor and you still have a home and something to eat and even some money to travel around and to buy a second hand synth. This is all:). That is why the scene is big. Lots of ppl have enough money to spend on trancing and to trance for a long time. In other countries this is not the case.
2. Second, but most important, i believe, it is just the authorities and the police - the reason why you haven't got so much trance in U.S.
Sending lots of love to the U.S. Hope to see more events there one day. Especially because it is the place where the psychedelic culture arose. ANd psychedelic is a state of mind. It is not a beat per minute or any other musical definition. It is a philosophy.
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Lots of great points in Moki's post, but there are some things that need to be pointed out.
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it was also the first time that black music was influenced by european music.
Speaking of only electronic dance music, this is accurate, but speaking of music in general, not so much. Most of the instruments used in modern american music use instruments of american, european, or middle eastern origin. For example:
Also, there are a great deal of funk, blues, rock, etc. bands which have been using synthesizers in their acts for quite a few decades, such as Moog and Nord gear, for example.
About detroit techno, it's worth adding that it wasn't just whites and blacks who were united under this musical banner, but the homosexual demographic as well. I'm adding this because a lot of the people who were around at that time speak of that with importance also.
I'd like to expand a bit on what electronic music has done for race relations though and mention something called the Amen Break, which most of you have probably heard in one form or another without realizing it.
The Amen Break is a roughly 4 bar drum solo taken from a section of a track named "Amen Brother" by '60s african american funk/gospel group The Winstons.
This very short sample essentially became the foundations for multiple genres of electronic based music, such as hip-hop, breaks, drum and bass, and jungle. All genres which have also brought all sorts of people together since before even detroit techno.
This innocuous sample has become so appropriated across the world that it's basically untouchable by any copyright laws, and when the drummer who originally recorded the riff was interviewed about it, he said shortly after the success of that small sample, he gave up drumming because he felt there was no way he could possibly top that in his entire career.
This video explains it superbly and is worth watching:
Regarding the second part of the above post, it's a great assessment of how it is over here, but I don't think the authorities are directly a problem. For the most part police seem to ignore most psy parties beyond responding to noise ordinance complaints, and any sort of party shutdown action usually is an offshoot of the rave scene and not targeted towards psy events specifically.
I think our overall population density versus our size is a much larger issue affecting our scene than attention from the authorities.
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As far as the question why is trance not so wide spread in the U.S. - i first wanna say, hey guys, be LUCKY that it is not wide spread. It must be a real paradise to come and play in Europe at some commercial bullshit trance events and then go back home and dive into the real underground:)))). Fucking amazing. But no, lets stay objective. I believe the reason is just the social circumstances.
Change "commercial bullshit" to "huge" and I agree 100%
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1. The social welfare in countries like Germany make it possible, as Ocelot said, that you are poor and you still have a home and something to eat and even some money to travel around and to buy a second hand synth. This is all:)
Definitely a big and real difference. From my experience it's offset a bit by the general affordability of electronic music making gear in the USA and Europe. Int he USA it's fairly cheap to get gear and working two weeks waiting tables or bartending will net you the cash to get a phat synth, computer, etc. Both sides definitely have their good and bad points.
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USA is a melting-pot of influences from all around the world. It's absolutely wrong to claim USA does not get any inspiration outside USA.
Music in USA is influenced from all around the world. From Africa (via the slaves), via immigrants from Eastern Europe, Asia, Middle East etc.
Nothing in USA is all American simply because America is a multi-ethnic Country.
We Europeans with increasing racist views could learn a lot from this great Country when it come to being openminded and respect toward minorities.
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We Europeans with increasing racist views could learn a lot from this great Country when it come to being openminded and respect toward minorities.
Haahahahahaahhahaaha... That is quite literally the funniest thing I have read in years on a forum...
You talking about the Country that basically committed genocide against the indigenous population, infavour of the settlers.
You can see how "funny" they are by even the name of the country. The United States of America, last time I looked it was only the United States of the Middle Third of North America.
Most of the shit we have going on in the world can probably be laid at the door of the Whitehouse, and their policies and their brand of narco-military-corporate-captitalism.
In some ways they are very good with protecting minorities, or rather, one particular type of minority, the white fat rich stoopid fuck..... www.youtube.com/trancevisuals
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We Europeans with increasing racist views could learn a lot from this great Country when it come to being openminded and respect toward minorities.
Haahahahahaahhahaaha... That is quite literally the funniest thing I have read in years on a forum...
You talking about the Country that basically committed genocide against the indigenous population, infavour of the settlers.
You can see how "funny" they are by even the name of the country. The United States of America, last time I looked it was only the United States of the Middle Third of North America.
Most of the shit we have going on in the world can probably be laid at the door of the Whitehouse, and their policies and their brand of narco-military-corporate-captitalism.
In some ways they are very good with protecting minorities, or rather, one particular type of minority, the white fat rich stoopid fuck.....
I know we are not allowed to debate about Politics so sorry for this off-topic comment.
Bull! In my Country we got a racist and fascist Government. That's not The White House fault!!! Not everything can be blamed on USA - far from. Look yourself in a mirror and admit that the your dirty laundry has to be cleaned up in order for you to tell others to clean up their dirty laundry www.beatagency.dk
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On 2010-05-01 22:33, TranceVisuals wrote:
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We Europeans with increasing racist views could learn a lot from this great Country when it come to being openminded and respect toward minorities.
Haahahahahaahhahaaha... That is quite literally the funniest thing I have read in years on a forum...
You talking about the Country that basically committed genocide against the indigenous population, infavour of the settlers.
You can see how "funny" they are by even the name of the country. The United States of America, last time I looked it was only the United States of the Middle Third of North America.
Most of the shit we have going on in the world can probably be laid at the door of the Whitehouse, and their policies and their brand of narco-military-corporate-captitalism.
In some ways they are very good with protecting minorities, or rather, one particular type of minority, the white fat rich stoopid fuck.....
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