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Why isnt psytrance big in the u.s?
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mist
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 00:12
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Whenever I read a post ranting about �American ignorance and stupidity�, I can�t help thinking:
well, this post was sent over the Internet, typed on either a Mac or an IBM-compatible PC, which most likely runs either MacOS or Windows. Which one of these things was not invented by Americans?!
On a related note: psy trance is a descendant of techno. Remember where that came from?
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Simplified exaggeration. |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 00:37
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Which one?
That psy trance is a descendant of techno?
Or that techno came from America?
The first one seems to be a consensus about Goa's origins.
The second one - I lived in Detroit long enough to know it's true.
Techno - Detroit. House - Chicago. It's common knowledge. |
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TimeTraveller
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yes that techno came from America,you are not well informed about that .Because the roots are in Germany.
If it was from Kraftwerk as the real roots or the first real techno wave in the 80s in Frankfurt however.
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rich
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On 2010-04-29 01:24, TimeTraveller wrote:
yes that techno came from America,you are not well informed about that .Because the roots are in Germany.
If it was from Kraftwerk as the real roots or the first real techno wave in the 80s in Frankfurt however.
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I was going to reply the same thing.
However, I believe disco originated in the US 
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 02:29
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I thought that Kraftwerk was in a class of its own - along with Afrika Bambaataa and some stuff from Herbie Hancock...
In my ignorant years I used to call it "break-dance music" because that's exactly what it was used for. Now I know about the sophisticated term "Electro"
Electro was born in Europe, no argument there. Techno was born in Detroit and drew on Electro and House influences.
Frankly, I don't think Detroit Techno went far from its Electro roots and I personally would not know how to draw a border between them. If somebody can explain this – I’d be very happy. I probably would not even identify the style right if you play a track to me. Nevertheless, when this music made a complete circle and came to Germany, it was known as Techno – the term coined by its “founding fathers”. Also, it was promoted by touring (or even expat.) Detroiters. Then it took off, like a space shuttle.
Anyway, the inspiration started in Germany, the style flourished in Germany – but it was born in Detroit. |
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TimeTraveller
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I don't think so.I could write now a novel about the names you were mentioned and the various music they have created but anyhows.Peace
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For fairness sake, I think the roots of electronic music per se cannot be defined to one country or even continent, Kraftwerk from Germany, Herbie Hancock from the USA, not to mention numerous tracks from Detroit and Chicago, Yello.
If you really want to take it to the beginnings of electronic music try Wendy Carlos, a character from New York, no sequencer, no Arpeggiator, just pure played electronic sound. Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream both from Germany followed.
Juno Reactor was there pretty much from the beginning, as were other artists in Goa around the mid 80ies, and I still reckon that in Goa with international folks the whole idea of an outdoor pure electronic event like we have today.was born.
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V3NOM
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On 2010-04-29 03:54, Upavas wrote:
For fairness sake, I think the roots of electronic music per se cannot be defined to one country or even continent, Kraftwerk from Germany, Herbie Hancock from the USA, not to mention numerous tracks from Detroit and Chicago, Yello.
If you really want to take it to the beginnings of electronic music try Wendy Carlos, a character from New York, no sequencer, no Arpeggiator, just pure played electronic sound. Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream both from Germany followed.
Juno Reactor was there pretty much from the beginning, as were other artists in Goa around the mid 80ies, and I still reckon that in Goa with international folks the whole idea of an outdoor pure electronic event like we have today.was born.
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as well as the theft of culture by such foreigners who were to lame to find their own.
as well as the destruction of cultures & places of beauty in the name of drug abuse, sexual abuse & pure hedonism.
Goa n' Thailand were lovely before the outdoor raves ruined them, as was Nepal which seems to be the new destination for destruction.
Panic in paradise indeed!
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AumShantiAum
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On 2010-04-28 22:56, Upavas wrote:
Of course there is a scene in Hawai'i, alive and kicking my friend, and they long for more psy, not the cheesy bull, they like music with power there, and they have become quite an eclectic bunch... I hear they have some Israelis there now who are doing stuff.
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very cool to hear man! i always wondered if there were psy scenes happening on those islands! funny though never really heard about anything in Hawaii thru this forum. Are they word of mouth parties only?
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 05:43
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On 2010-04-29 02:54, TimeTraveller wrote:
I don't think so.I could write now a novel about the names you were mentioned and the various music they have created but anyhows.Peace
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I am sure you can – and I won’t be able to offer anything in exchange – because it seems like you lived it and I just heard a story from Detroiters.
I think our points of view may be colored by local pride. I am sure if I’d lived longer in Chicago and gotten this story from Chicagoans I’d be telling you that techno originated there. Which, by the way, would be about as much true as your German explanation. 
Anyway, it’s a bit of a silly argument. I certainly did not mean to belittle German contribution here. Got a bit carried away waving my star-spangled banner, I guess...
Music belongs to the whole humanity. I still like keeping track of styles’ origins – but that’s just my latent OCD, certainly does not matter in the cosmic scheme.
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Maine Coon
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On 2010-04-29 05:01, Buddha Monkey wrote:
... theft ... destruction ... drug abuse, sexual abuse & pure hedonism ...
Panic in paradise indeed!
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Man, somebody is cheerful today!..  |
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AumShantiAum
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Run Lola
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I stayed in the US for 5 months, and been to couple of psy parties, one in the midwest and one in San fran! and that's two totally different experiences.
the crowd is more shy in the midwest, as if they're going to the party to socialize! they do put a lot of effort in setting up the party (music was top, deco was amazing, the art stands) I didn't feel that people were that much into the music! In san Fran, the crowd was top! had an amazing time, the people are more open, and there was a nice friendly vibe!
but again, I ve only been to 2 parties, so i can't claim that this is the case everywhere in the US
@ascension, I understand that you prefer having a small scene in the midwest and you feel that it needs to be conserved, but I feel that you guys are being a bit over protective! I remember chilluminati cancelling a party in chicago because some other crew was organizing a party 3 weeks after in Iowa!
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Upavas
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 12:27
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as well as the theft of culture by such foreigners who were to lame to find their own.
as well as the destruction of cultures & places of beauty in the name of drug abuse, sexual abuse & pure hedonism.
Goa n' Thailand were lovely before the outdoor raves ruined them, as was Nepal which seems to be the new destination for destruction.
Panic in paradise indeed!
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1. People in Goa developed their own culture, they didn't steal anybody's culture.
2. The big hotels in Colva beach are the ones who destroyed the local culture, not the trance people who got along fine with the Konkani people and actually made life for them easier also.
3. Goa and Thailand were lovely before the mainstream came along, and a lot of that was generated through the tourist industry (hotel chains, Agency's like TUI and so on...) in those countries.
4. I don't choose panic, I choose bliss!
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
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