Why is there less bass in Darkpsy than Fullon and Progressive?
Alias
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 11:56
SA producers really good! i wouldnt call them dark psy
The music that plays Goa Gil ...most of it its crap! period.
not only production but also musically. actually there is not music.
dont get me wrong...im also enjoying from time to time some good dark music!
check here: in this track the bassline and all sounds playing on the same note.not to mention bad mix ....
if you call it music, good for you!
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 12:20
Yeah, good example especially with the good video/sound quality Signature
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 12:21
And btw i like it this way
and all other music is crap because i don't like its production Signature
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 12:27
Agreed....the production sounds really bad on that youtube vid.
Could possibly have to do with the way it was recorded and the compression...LOL
I find that in any genre there is a couple of percent I think it's actually good...and darkpsy is no exception.
I just think it's an exaggeration to say that darkpsy production is worse than other trance genres.
If anything the quality is more varied and some stuff is downright lousy while some is by far more creative and interesting then what you find in full-on and prog.
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 13:23
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On 2007-10-19 12:27, Spindrift wrote:
Agreed....the production sounds really bad on that youtube vid.
Could possibly have to do with the way it was recorded and the compression...LOL
I find that in any genre there is a couple of percent I think it's actually good...and darkpsy is no exception.
I just think it's an exaggeration to say that darkpsy production is worse than other trance genres.
If anything the quality is more varied and some stuff is downright lousy while some is by far more creative and interesting then what you find in full-on and prog.
i agree 100 percent!
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 13:34
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On 2007-10-19 10:56, piXan wrote:
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you gotta disociate the musican's work from the producer's
really?????? i think th3e problem is that u cant see a difference....
what's your point ?
you enjoy the smell of my ass ?
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 13:36
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On 2007-10-19 11:21, piXan wrote:
yeahh dark trance production sucks... i hope toxic
shift
phyx
artifakt
parasense
fungus funk
slug
hydraglyph
didnt ever exist....
so maybe then u made it bigggg
parasense...production...???wtf??
i think your problem is that you can't hear the difference
but yeah yeah you're right and have a big one, be happy!
cheers
The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 14:54
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On 2007-10-19 12:27, Spindrift wrote:
I find that in any genre there is a couple of percent I think it's actually good...and darkpsy is no exception.
I just think it's an exaggeration to say that darkpsy production is worse than other trance genres.
If anything the quality is more varied and some stuff is downright lousy while some is by far more creative and interesting then what you find in full-on and prog.
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Well again, it is a matter of taste ! For some peoples dark psy sounds more creative than full On or progressive, but this doesn't mean that everybody must feel the same or this is some kind of rule !
What you find creative in dark psy for me or some other who love melodic music is just endless random noises and a repetitive one nope playing note...sorry to say that , but this is what i hear and feel...
You can say 1000 times that dark psy is more creative and i will say 1000 times that you are wrong, and this will be an endless discution because "Nobody here has the final truth !!!"
You can gimme a lot of examples of good dark artist, so i can give you lots of examples of good progressive, full on or melodic music producers...
We can see in the end who's list is bigger..
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There is another thing which I don't understand. I read on some other topics stuff like "Dark psy is the real psychedelic music" or "melodic music is commercial" blah blah...
I remember in 1995-1996, I switch from Acid Techno production to "Goa" Trance production just because there was no feeling and no melody in techno. For more than 10 years the "goa" trance or "psy trance" artists (call them how you want), played music with melody and nobody said "this music is commercial" or "this music is not psychedelic" until now.
Did I missed something ??? What about all the old artists who created this scene, names like: Astral, California Sunshine, Oforia, Man With no Name, Transwave, Miranda...
They where all stupid because they made melodic music ??? I really don't get it !
You tell me about agressivity, anger, blah blah...but what about the attitude of the dark lovers against melodic music, here including full on & progressive aswell ???
Who's the agressive one in this case ?
I agree that dark psy is a part of the psychedelic scene and culture and I respect that, but i will never accept this idea of "we are the real psychedelic lovers, and the melodic lovers don't belong to this scene because they are commercial and their music is boring"
I heard too many times stuff like: I hate full on, I hate progressive, this music sux, full on is repetitive and boring, this is not psychedelic music, this is commercial music, our music is more creative etc...and the only bad thing we said about dark psy is that this music has bad "PRODUCTION" or quality.. Nobody said anything about ideas, etc
Please, if you wanna be respected please respect the others !
And what i said here is for all the dark lovers not to the ones involved in this discution !
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 15:46
mmmm some good points atma, but i must say that for me, most melodic music is indeed not psychedelic. to me the psychedelic feeling comes from eerie strange sounds, atmospheres, drones, effects, over a disturbing beat.
not saying anything about what is good or bad, just saying that for me when i go to a party where the entire lineup is melodic fullon music... well, i just don't enjoy myself and feel sometimes a bit cheated, because i expect psychedelic music, and feel like this is not the music i go to the desert or the forrest at 4am for...
to me it doesn't matter prog/fullon/twisted... i like eerie haunting psychedelic music.
it can be ghreg on earth, it can be sesient, it can be the delta, it can be kindzadza... all dif vibes and styles, but all focused on a psychedelic trip and not based around melodies and buildups...
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 16:31
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On 2007-10-19 14:54, The_Guardians_Of_Truth
Please, if you wanna be respected please respect the others !
Good idea...you should try it yourself sometime.
I never said that prog or full-on producers is bad.
I said that I many times find the production boring, even in cases when it's technically good.
If your post would have been about how you like the melodies in full-on that's a fair point, even if I in most cases would not agree one can't argue about taste.
But with stuff like;
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Everybody here is aware that most of the dark productions are very bad quality
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If a good produced "progressive" or "full on" album takes more than 1 year of work, a dark album wont take more than 1 month.
Here is the trick !
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Lesson 1) Learn real music before you can explore some other frontiers !!!
I really can't take you seriously when you talk about showing respect or when you claim that darkpsy fans/producers show a bad attitude towards full-on or prog.
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 16:36
Yes i got your point...It's just a matter of tastes.
For me psychedelic means also deep melodic lines that takes me higher, complex harmonic background, perfect chords combination, but also good sound effects or noises like they are used in dark psy ...
I my point of view definition of psychedelic, is not only, chaos, dissorder, random noises or madness but also cosmos, perfection, still, quiet, higher state of consciousness...
Sometimes i like also deep and forests atmospheres, depends of my mood, but there are moments when I prefer a more friendly atmosphere, happiness, light ,melody, atmosphere that make me feel good, happy and to help me find my peace.
That's why i go to psy parties, to find myself, to find my peace together with friends or peoples who feel the same. I don't go party to take my deepest fear, anger, hate to the extreme.If i want this probably i go to a alternative rock concert !
As you see, psychedelic is defined different by peoples and nobody can say his point of view is the correct one, because all o them are in part correct.
I think that any kind of excess of music on a party, it can be dark or melodic is not good ! Too much melody can be annoying or boring but same is with dark stuff.
I also don't enjoy myself when i go on a party and all the night I hear only boom boom and noises !
Why most of line ups are full with melodic artists it's the organizers problem. Maybe they know better what most of the public like... Dunno and it's not my problem.
Anyway I don't like when the entire dark armada throw shit on me just because I make different kind of music or i have different point of view.
faxinadu
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 16:41
dude atma,
donno about the rest but please notice i am no longer throwing shit on you seems like we finally have got some healthy discussion in this topic.
i don't consider myself part of the dark armada.... in fact i am an outcast... i make maybe "dark" music, but in 145-150bpm vibes. sure i do make somtimes scremo punk darkpsy, but other times there are tracks with progy or suddenly melodic vibes... not all dark lovers can relate to what i do.
"I think that any kind of excess of music on a party, it can be dark or melodic is not good ! Too much melody can be annoying or boring but same is with dark stuff. "
i completly agree! if a party would have a diverse lineup with prog, dark, fullon, suomi sounds in there - then i am sure i would enjoy the whole journey. just seems like in my country even when a party is labeled as dark its just full on in minor scales 3dvision style The Way Back
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 16:42
Spindrift :
what you saying here is cheap demagogy(no offence
so far i didnt read here some nice arguments from the dark side about production n'stuff
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 16:46
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On 2007-10-19 16:42, Alias wrote:
Spindrift :
what you saying here is cheap demagogy(no offence
so far i didnt read here some nice arguments from the dark side about production n'stuff
for sure agree with atma for 100%
respect!
i think the one valid argument is the bpm... try it yourself, make a nice bassline in 120bpm and listen how the sound has time to evolve and get definition even if its 1/16 long... now play this same bass at 160bpm and ooops its dead.
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 16:46
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On 2007-10-19 16:31, Spindrift wrote:
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On 2007-10-19 14:54, The_Guardians_Of_Truth
Please, if you wanna be respected please respect the others !
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Good idea...you should try it yourself sometime.
I never said that prog or full-on producers is bad.
I said that I many times find the production boring, even in cases when it's technically good.
If your post would have been about how you like the melodies in full-on that's a fair point, even if I in most cases would not agree one can't argue about taste.
But with stuff like;
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Everybody here is aware that most of the dark productions are very bad quality[/quote]
and
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If a good produced "progressive" or "full on" album takes more than 1 year of work, a dark album wont take more than 1 month.
Here is the trick ![/quote]
and
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Lesson 1) Learn real music before you can explore some other frontiers !!!
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I really can't take you seriously when you talk about showing respect or when you claim that darkpsy fans/producers show a bad attitude towards full-on or prog.
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sorry bro, I don't wanna argue with you because you took my phrases out of the context!
As i told in the second post please leave the pride behind, but it seems you see only what you wanna see.
If you wanna talk about this, see also the posts before and the answers I got from you every time. Don't take from discution only what you like or not! I can do the same with your phrases.
I think you understood from the beginning my idea and my point of view so don't try to give other senses to my words.
And, if you understood it wrong from the beginning then for sure there is no subject to talk here.
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