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Why is there less bass in Darkpsy than Fullon and Progressive?
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 01:20
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Shit man, too late ...can you at least share some cold beer with us ?
keep the popcorn for tomorow tonight !
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vegetal
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 01:26
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Ill share a cold one with ya mate
And don´t worry about the popcorn, ill make some fresh ones for tomorrow.
Concerning the thread itself i can understand atma at a point, but at the same time i don´t understand where the anger is coming from.
I think you should blame the hackergroups that crack audiosoftware instead.
Ill post some more thoughts tomorrow cause now i need to sleep.
*Hands a cold beer to atma* Cheers mates!
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Trip-
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 08:35
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For a minute there I thought I'll lock it...
But then maybe not.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 10:04
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LOL,
I'm so happy to see such a discussion going on and I'm not in! 
But beware, I'm from the style police!
Everybody having influences from another style. For example dark psy influences in progressive will be fined 500Euro and more, depending the grade of his style-treason immediately.
Payment to my personal account!!
Seriously. my two cents
I find definition and talk, questions refering to "styles" kind of "dangerous"  in the first place. "style" "genre" is just a surfacial definition of music. Its like talking from people refering to their skin colour or nationality.. maybe there are some similarities in thinking. But still EACH HUMAN BEING PIECE OF MUSIC HAS ITS OWN PERSONALITY AND ITS OWN WAY TO WORK!
"dark psy" what the hell should that be? I've heard well produced dark, I've heard emotional dark, stupid dark, cool dark, polished dark, nice bass dark, weak bass dark, bark dark, formulaic dark, individual dark, slow dark, fast dark. I heard from egomanic dark producers, some make a song per day, others don't, some do it for fame, others out of passion. JUST AS IN EVERY POSSIBLE GENRE...
Sure there are some tendencies in each genre, but so are with skinclours and religions and nationalities. Every human being, every song has to be seen as an indivdual and NEVER as part of a "group".
someone dedicating onesself to one "genre"? judging generally over one "genre"?
"all dark has no bass" "this music has ... influences" "dark producers are..." "full on producers are..." "psy artists are..." "young people are... " americans are..."
Such a person should think about thinking patterns.... any similarities to history?
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 10:51
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"dark has no bass" which dark?
Or lets do it with progressive: .. One more post, cause I find it so funny
One listens to Progressive...
I've heard well produced progressive, emotional progressive, soulless progressive, melodic progressive, monotonous progressive, well produced progressive, psychedelic progressive, unpsychedelic progressive, trancy progressive, badly produced progressive, funny progressive, tragic progressive, boring progressive, exciting progressive, minimal progressive, maximal progressive, honest progressive, unhonest progressive, progressive that sounded like other progressive, unique progressive, agressive progressive...
So which kind of progressive?...
Just to point out how absolutely nothing it tells me if somebody tells me he likes "progressive" I can't believe one just likes all the above.
So What I know about a person telling me that she is dedicated to one genre:
People dedicating to one genre, in my eyes do this because they are unable to make more fine distinctions. so they stick to the surfacial ones, cause they like the "tendencies" of the genre.
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 10:54
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I'm with Atma here. When i want to hear cacophony i usually prefer to listen to accomplished musicians that try to bend the rules that they know very well(older Koxbox comes to my mind in psy trance or Squarepusher elsewhere), not to some 16 year old kid that puts random lines on his fruity loops over ridiculously fast paced rhythm sections. Not to say there isn't good dark psy but to say that the amounts of crap nowadays is just too overwhelming. I'd agree on the Penta and GOE arguments. They do have their own style. Def not my cup of tea but i understand people that enjoy this kind of psychedelia. What i don't understand is pretty much everything else. For me it's just like Punk Rock. Punk Rock was a rebel against the too complicated Prog Rock that was really big back then. And Dark Psy is a counter reaction to Fluffy Full-on and Progressive.
But just as back then although there were a few punk bands that actually had anything to say (Ramones, Sex Pistols and maybe a few more) most of them were just angry kids with more attitude than anything to contribute. The good news is that in 5 years from now nobody will remember dark psy. Just as today nobody remembers Eyal Barkan.
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 10:56
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lot of full on don t have bass too, it s squashed to death,maybe the production is better but it s still unlistenable on my adams.
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olivier
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 12:27
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On 2007-10-17 12:29, Spindrift wrote:
Polished production is not actually something that is desirable in all genres.
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well it is certainly desirable in most dance music aimed to be played on big speakers.
there is some kind of hype goin' around with some dark trance producers, thinking they are some kind of punk band or whatever, being cool because refusing to bend with the production rules.... the thing is, i never saw any dark psy musicians on stage, only electronic dance music producers not doing much..so i'm wondering, where is sid vicious in here? these guys are just producers like everyone else, maybe it would be time to grab the production tips in order to propose less shitty render when they switch from the virtual instruments to the big PA.
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piXan
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 13:39
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yeah damn kids and their dreadful underproduced noise! specially when they get more attention than i do, even though i am a real musician, and i really know what this psy thing its all bout....
haha..
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 14:21
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On 2007-10-18 12:27, Side-A wrote:
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On 2007-10-17 12:29, Spindrift wrote:
Polished production is not actually something that is desirable in all genres.
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well it is certainly desirable in most dance music aimed to be played on big speakers.
there is some kind of hype goin' around with some dark trance producers, thinking they are some kind of punk band or whatever, being cool because refusing to bend with the production rules.... the thing is, i never saw any dark psy musicians on stage, only electronic dance music producers not doing much..so i'm wondering, where is sid vicious in here? these guys are just producers like everyone else, maybe it would be time to grab the production tips in order to propose less shitty render when they switch from the virtual instruments to the big PA.
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You need a certain level of production to make tracks work on a PA, but that is not what I mean by "polished".
I'm talking about fine tuning every level to get a perfect balance in the mix, using a HPF on all leads to ensure no phasing and overlapping with bass etc.
It might sound like a punk attitude to you but it's something that many producers of commercial music agree with.
The style of production used in a lot of trance today went out of fashion with many producers after the 80's when they learned that small flaws in the mix actually helps grabbing peoples attention, and perfect balance makes their ears fall asleep.
The most successful producer I worked with, behind several top 10 tracks, refused to make any adjustments to the levels other than quickly throwing the faders in place because otherwise he thought it would make the mix sound dead.
Of course not everyone agrees with that attitude and it's a matter of taste...some people really like 80's style perfection.
I'm not saying that the worse sound the better, but I'm not in the school of thought that the more polished you production is the better it is.
Listening to Atma it seems like he thinks polished==good, and I have no problem with that. He seems like he is a good producer but what he does is for sure not my taste and a bit less polish would make the music a lot more interesting and alive to me.
Good production according to my taste have the needed presence and definition, but at the same time does not sound overproduced and polished.
IMO there is more darkpsy today leaning towards the overpolished side than the other way around, but maybe I'm misunderstand what Atma means when he complains about bad production.
And what if many darkpsy producers are having a punk attitude and refuse to bend with production rules?
If they think that's cool I don't see why that is more of a problem than if someone thinks he's cool because he knows how to produce according to the schoolbook approach.
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vegetal
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 14:34
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On 2007-10-18 14:21, Spindrift wrote:
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On 2007-10-18 12:27, Side-A wrote:
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On 2007-10-17 12:29, Spindrift wrote:
Polished production is not actually something that is desirable in all genres.
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well it is certainly desirable in most dance music aimed to be played on big speakers.
there is some kind of hype goin' around with some dark trance producers, thinking they are some kind of punk band or whatever, being cool because refusing to bend with the production rules.... the thing is, i never saw any dark psy musicians on stage, only electronic dance music producers not doing much..so i'm wondering, where is sid vicious in here? these guys are just producers like everyone else, maybe it would be time to grab the production tips in order to propose less shitty render when they switch from the virtual instruments to the big PA.
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You need a certain level of production to make tracks work on a PA, but that is not what I mean by "polished".
I'm talking about fine tuning every level to get a perfect balance in the mix, using a HPF on all leads to ensure no phasing and overlapping with bass etc.
It might sound like a punk attitude to you but it's something that many producers of commercial music agree with.
The style of production used in a lot of trance today went out of fashion with many producers after the 80's when they learned that small flaws in the mix actually helps grabbing peoples attention, and perfect balance makes their ears fall asleep.
The most successful producer I worked with, behind several top 10 tracks, refused to make any adjustments to the levels other than quickly throwing the faders in place because otherwise he thought it would make the mix sound dead.
Of course not everyone agrees with that attitude and it's a matter of taste...some people really like 80's style perfection.
I'm not saying that the worse sound the better, but I'm not in the school of thought that the more polished you production is the better it is.
Listening to Atma it seems like he thinks polished==good, and I have no problem with that. He seems like he is a good producer but what he does is for sure not my taste and a bit less polish would make the music a lot more interesting and alive to me.
Good production according to my taste have the needed presence and definition, but at the same time does not sound overproduced and polished.
IMO there is more darkpsy today leaning towards the overpolished side than the other way around, but maybe I'm misunderstand what Atma means when he complains about bad production.
And what if many darkpsy producers are having a punk attitude and refuse to bend with production rules?
If they think that's cool I don't see why that is more of a problem than if someone thinks he's cool because he knows how to produce according to the schoolbook approach.
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olivier
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 14:52
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On 2007-10-18 14:21, Spindrift wrote:
You need a certain level of production to make tracks work on a PA, but that is not what I mean by "polished".
I'm talking about fine tuning every level to get a perfect balance in the mix, using a HPF on all leads to ensure no phasing and overlapping with bass etc.
It might sound like a punk attitude to you but it's something that many producers of commercial music agree with.
The style of production used in a lot of trance today went out of fashion with many producers after the 80's when they learned that small flaws in the mix actually helps grabbing peoples attention, and perfect balance makes their ears fall asleep.
The most successful producer I worked with, behind several top 10 tracks, refused to make any adjustments to the levels other than quickly throwing the faders in place because otherwise he thought it would make the mix sound dead.
Of course not everyone agrees with that attitude and it's a matter of taste...some people really like 80's style perfection.
I'm not saying that the worse sound the better, but I'm not in the school of thought that the more polished you production is the better it is.
Listening to Atma it seems like he thinks polished==good, and I have no problem with that. He seems like he is a good producer but what he does is for sure not my taste and a bit less polish would make the music a lot more interesting and alive to me.
Good production according to my taste have the needed presence and definition, but at the same time does not sound overproduced and polished.
IMO there is more darkpsy today leaning towards the overpolished side than the other way around, but maybe I'm misunderstand what Atma means when he complains about bad production.
And what if many darkpsy producers are having a punk attitude and refuse to bend with production rules?
If they think that's cool I don't see why that is more of a problem than if someone thinks he's cool because he knows how to produce according to the schoolbook approach.
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good explanation mate , thank you for taking the time.i agree with most of it.
about the "cool" thing, i don't think music is made to look cool...one doesn't spend hours on production just to be cool, but more likely to reach the best sound possible in order to get the better dynamic and the best render on the speakers
being cool on the other hand would more likely be: spend the less time possible on production, be proud of it and show it off with some kind of childish punk attitude...the attitude is very important here because without it, all their anarchist music producer concept would fall out...
As far as i'm concerned i don't think music is about attitude
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olivier
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 14:53
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On 2007-10-18 13:39, piXan wrote:
yeah damn kids and their dreadful underproduced noise! specially when they get more attention than i do, even though i am a real musician, and i really know what this psy thing its all bout....
haha..
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who said that?
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EYB
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 14:56
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good explanation mate , thank you for taking the time.
about the "cool" thing, i don't think music is made to look cool...one doesn't spend hours on production just to be cool, but more likely to reach the best sound possible in order to get the better dynamic and the best render on the speakers
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mh, i think music should be made to express urself in this way - not to be cool nor to get the best possible render on the speakers...
...maybe i didn't got the whole making music thing..
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olivier
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 14:58
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I didn't meant that the music is all about getting the better sound of the speaker...but the production work is.
you gotta disociate the musican's work from the producer's
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