mk47
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 19:53
what you lot make of this ? not speed , just the whole dripping with retardedness thing , fuck ,
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 19:54
omg what the fuck is this haha seriously it have nothing in common with psytrance that made me love this music. sound like music for teens on stereoids .
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 20:00
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omg what the fuck is this haha seriously it have nothing in common with psytrance that made me love this music.
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 20:00
but deeply disturbed is killer
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 20:03
LOL minus, in almost every single post on this entire effing thread I've said that this is just my experience, my thoughts, and it would be completely moronic for me to say things like 'x tempo does THIS to people, but THAT tempo does THIS'
There is so much subjectivity to this discussion. None of this can be discussed in terms of what is right and what is wrong.
My 'beliefs' are simply the result of loving the shit out of psytrance for as long as I have known about it and going to as many parties as I can afford to. I like nothing more than to be proven wrong and get chucked into the stratosphere by music in any tempo range.
However, my experiences stand true for me - in 95% of cases if the music is significantly above 145 it is crap. To me. I don't see the point.
Also - I'm fairly certain that if I take a track that's at 144 or 142 or 154 and adjust it a couple BPM you won't be able to tell the difference - or at least, I can't. You can engineer a track at x tempo to appear faster or slower. The tempo is not the end-all-be-all measurement it's just the clock we sync everything to. Hell, Space Pussy by Hallucinogen is IIRC @ 155 BPM which is normally outside of the tempo range that I jive with, but it doesn't seem like a 155 BPM track.
Those 2-3 well defined things are sofar pretty undefined
damn the music rox in this video but the mix sucks big time
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 20:07
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retardedness thing...
nonsense music... awfull fx..
do NOT trust the Dj..
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In any case – better for what???
For listening? For stumping? For wobbling?
You may have three optimal BPMs then, right?
And why transfer things from one genre to another (or one activity to another, but I’ll come to that later). So what that darkpsy bass turned into grumbling instead of Goa’s “mind pulse” or full on’s “look how cool my synth sounds!” or Suomi’s “dance or die” groove? Grumbling works for darkpsy. Funky bass works for Suomi and sterile bass works for full on. Which way each one of us prefers it – that’s an entirely separate question (not worth fighting about, imho). But why do we have to judge one style by standards of another? Would you judge a polonaise by what’s expected of a waltz?
When I listen to darkpsy, that’s all I do – because it sucks in my attention and makes me think of all kinds of “impractical” weirdness. I dance to Suomi simply because there is no way to not dance to it. And I may or may not slightly wobble to Goa or full on. In all cases, it’s almost entirely about just listening. But for most people here it seems that it’s mostly about dancing. And not just dancing in general but dancing in a specific way. That kinda limits your standards of what’s “proper” and what’s not. And it limits them even further if you confine yourself to one subgenre. Those are all self-imposed restrictions that have nothing to do with what’s “better” or “worse”. Just IMHO, of course.
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 20:36
yea well will. the way you put your opinions forward in words, seem a bit egoistic, as in since you think all 145+ bpm music is crap! calling it crap, and words used before by you, seem to depict your unflexiable inner mould, this way it will be vary hard for you to enjot any party festival, because people will not always play what you like, they will play what they like, and you should have a more flexable interior, as grasp the vibe the artist wants to to feel, for example, lots and lots of real good artists mke traks over 150,,, so what! but u cannot call it crap!
and about the 2-3 well defined meaning heheh , that alpha wave patherns got nothing to do with it, i'm fukin drunk hahaha so i jus said yaya, it has something to do with the heart rate sync's perfectly with the beat, some kindof cadrio synchronisation, which is optimally sustained at 14-144 bpm or so, i'm pretty sure, someone on the forum will knwo them, and will spill the juice
bomz
maine coon:lately i stoped reading whatever u write,, haha, cause its just highly explained bullshit, most of the time, most of the time, sometimes, you write something real nice and touching!so pls, write less, and write with love! same goes for u too will, even lately you write lots and lots of nonsense, ahahahah , i dont know why the fuk am i writing all this. forgive me, i'll shut up now!
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 20:37
Well, yes I think this discussion (at least for me) is kind of specific to or at least extremely focused on the dance floor.
When I criticize fast music I am not saying 'hey this isn't like Goa, so fuck it.' - I am criticizing it completely on its own (lack of) merits
To me, if I'm going to a psytrance party, my #1 priority is the trance dance experience and a huge portion of that is dancing with the community. The vast majority of post 145 music rips me out of that trance dance experience. Also, in my experience the faster stuff means less people on the dance floor for less time which means less overall energy for me to soak up and enjoy. It is vrey simple for me If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 20:42
dont agree! when ever i been in any festivals or parties, what you said, dont hold true, no dance floor gets empty, insted sometimes it comes more alive!
nuff discussion, for tonite,fuk the bpmz have a beeer! and smoke a plant, and i'll see you on the floor, kickin up dust
booooooom
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 20:45
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On 2010-11-23 20:36, minus wrote:
yea well will. the way you put your opinions forward in words, seem a bit egoistic, as in since you think all 145+ bpm music is crap! calling it crap, and words used before by you, seem to depict your unflexiable inner mould, this way it will be vary hard for you to enjot any party festival, because people will not always play what you like, they will play what they like, and you should have a more flexable interior, as grasp the vibe the artist wants to to feel, for example, lots and lots of real good artists mke traks over 150,,, so what! but u cannot call it crap!
and about the 2-3 well defined meaning heheh , that alpha wave patherns got nothing to do with it, i'm fukin drunk hahaha so i jus said yaya, it has something to do with the heart rate sync's perfectly with the beat, some kindof cadrio synchronisation, which is optimally sustained at 14-144 bpm or so, i'm pretty sure, someone on the forum will knwo them, and will spill the juice
bomz
Maybe the reason you find my words egotistic is because you are...drunk ? I don't think I have ever said definitively that all 145+ music is crap. If I did, I was wrong. I have even given a specific example of music that's above 145 that I like, and I have plenty of twilight/dark stuff that is above 145 that is fantastic.
However, that does not change my past observations and experiences. There have been many times when I have a head full of fun chemicals and have been dancing all night and would like to continue dancing, but then some fucktard tries to go all 'killargh' fast darkness and kills the dancefloor energy and I have to leave lest I get too angry/upset - the exact opposite of why I am at a trance festival to begin with. That is what I cannot stand. If it was entirely my experience and everyone else loved it, then I would just walk away and be content because it was just me and not the floor that was affected. Sadly that is not the case.
That being said, we can certainly agree to disagree. I'll pass on the beer as I can't stand alcohol but I would gladly smoke some plants with you all the best! If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 20:47
cheap person
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 20:49
( trance wise )
