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why is low bpm better than high bpm?

ohshit
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 17:22
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On 2010-11-23 15:21, Maine Coon wrote:
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On 2010-11-23 01:00, Vermeee wrote:

so u prob never been to a festival based on those high bpm sounds as psycrowdelica or full moon festival...



Back in the day – a couple of lifetimes ago – we danced to 120 BPM and it didn’t feel slow. The music was as dumb and gay as “Glee” – but we enjoyed it and danced away through the night. It was called “Eurodisco” back then. Now they made it more blippy and pretentious and renamed it into “progressive”. And now half of the world keeps bitching about how slow it is (although I am yet to see a 120 BPM "progressive" track).

My point is: “progressive” seems slow because everything else inched up in tempo and left it behind. Back in the 80’s, 120 BPM was a disco norm. If you wanted anything faster, you’d have to resurrect American 144 BPM tunes. Yeah, I know there was plenty of fast-paced music in the 80’s. But Sex Pistols and Iron Maiden rarely made it under a disco ball.

As for high-paced festivals: how is it going to prove or even demonstrate anything. I’ve seen massive marathons too. Thousands of people pushing those 40 km. When you see this, it gives you an illusion that the whole Earth is into this masochistic activity. But is it really?




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daark
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 17:35
yes it is subjective and most of things said hear are true
but that thing about more i disagree as you add more sustain time(a few poor miliseconds) and by that you take away the speed of the track .













tell me plz how TECHNICALY there is more in low bpm and less in high ???
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The Andychrist
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 17:54
your question it don't makez no sense!

If you are trying to say that you can make a groovy fast thing, just make it and that's all the proof you will need!

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aciduss
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 17:55
Let it go man... just produce whatever bpm you feel like.
daark
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 18:06
for me 150 is one of favoured just because it is easy to calculate and i'm lazy and it sounds good i don't say that slow can't realy be harsh / intelegent/ experimental music like there is some happy/groovy/funky in the fast area
but cardinals has to explain me" why?!?"

love you all you are open minded people

all that "high bpm limits you" is just rude lies

and next experiment will be 149.9 just to be at safe ground          http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
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mk47
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 18:15
whatever floats ya boat , but moar bass in slow
vision dream
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 18:16
the easiest way to explain you its lower pbm and beats makes your brain digest all the sounds,textures,colorful,warm,cold,funny,sad,go one by one with the enought time to hear separeately one by one. and the highest pbm and beats all the sound comes together and one above the others ones the brain i thought it's so dificult to me digest and taste all of them..thats my explain i just digest untill 145bpm. no more higher!..
Mike A
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 18:35
No one said you have to use kbbb.
Use k k k bbbbbb k k b
PoM
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 19:16
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On 2010-11-23 18:06, daark wrote:

and next experiment will be 149.9 just to be at safe ground



lol

but seriously one thing i come back these days that i alwasy doing with hardware cause everyhting was midi .. why choosing a bpm before starting a track and stick to it? work on a track ,make a beat and few synth line and choose the bpm it sound the best and then fine tune everyhting to make it sound even better (envelops ,timings,compressors...)thats it ,sometimes i have the feeling that today ppl want so much to sound like others they all stick to the same tempo lol , or not much have balls to make things differents, like starting a set with a slow or even down tempo track, or playing a fast dark dnb track in the set.. all is very serious .i will sound like a dick again saying todays everyhting seems so much formated .
minus
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 19:21
what a bunch of crap
u should see the vibes in some good festivals like psycrodelica for example, its 4-5 days of continous hard core forest style dark sounds, and the dance floors are packed full, with happy people dancing full power and giving the best vibes, its bullshit to say, the dance floor suffers if u play over 150, a very specific vibe is created at around 150-154 bpm, i call it wool gathering, when the bass/kick remain in the subcouncious or background, and the leads/pads/fx at the front,, hands moving , collecting wool!hehe and these states of dancing generally last for 6-8 hrs, not a couple, even tho i personally have started to produce low bpm tracks, cause they have more time and space and depth/wideness, faster bpms r for when u r peaking on ur trip, it is all a matter of personal taste, but no cannot diss anyone for his taste, and back in the day, before old skool, there was no school! i aint talking 50,60's 70's or 80's... i'm talking cavemen,the ancients they used to be banging rocks and sticks on leather drums,all for a sense of communal harmonoius movements inducing communal bonding within the tribes,,140'ish bpm is generally reccommended because, when a human being is dancing, and his heart rate reaches approximately 140 bpm it is easily sustained comfortably for the body for a while, higher bpm's do tend to disrupt the physical capabities after a certain amout of excersion over time.i am not too certain about the details, but 140'ish bpm has 2-3 well defined meanings, why the human being is so comfortable moving at it.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 19:21
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On 2010-11-23 18:06, daark wrote:
for me 150 is one of favoured just because it is easy to calculate and i'm lazy and it sounds good i don't say that slow can't realy be harsh / intelegent/ experimental music like there is some happy/groovy/funky in the fast area
but cardinals has to explain me" why?!?"

love you all you are open minded people

all that "high bpm limits you" is just rude lies

and next experiment will be 149.9 just to be at safe ground



All things being relative, 150 isn't *so* much different than 145. However, in my experience anything much past 150, and especially 160-180 range is just...too fast. For me. I don't see the point.

Psy @ that tempo doesn't make me trip harder, or give me more energy, or split my third eye open...however, it does restrict my ability to hear and feel the bass timbre (as well as the vast majority of other noises), it does tire me out/bore me very quickly...

However - I am not everyone, and obviously for some people the fast stuff is appealing. Make and listen to what you want, you don't need anyone's approval.

BTW, Maine Coon that marathon analogy was pro. Masochistic indeed            If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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willsanquil
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 19:26
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On 2010-11-23 19:21, minus wrote:
what a bunch of crap
u should see the vibes in some good festivals like psycrodelica for example, its 4-5 days of continous hard core forest style dark sounds, and the dance floors are packes full, with happy people dancing full power and giving the best vibes, its bullshit to say, the dance floor suffers if u play over 150, a very specific vibe is created , i call it wool gathering, happens around 154 bpm, when the bass/kick remain in the suncouncious, and the leads at the front, ahnds moving , collecting wool! and these states of dancing generally last for 6-8 hrs, not a couple, even tho i personally have started to produce low bpm tracks, cause they have more time and space and depth/wideness, faster bpms r for when u r peaking on ur trip, it is all a matter of personal taste, but no cannot diss anyone for his taste, and back in the day, before old skool, there was no school! i aint talking 50,60's 70's or 80's... i'm talking neanderthals, they used to be parting, banging rocks and sticks, on a sense of communal harmonoius movements inducing communal bonding within the tribes,,140'ish bpm is generally reccommended because, when a human being is dancing, and his heart rate reaches approximately 140 bpm it is easily sustained comfortably by the body for a while, higher bpm's do tend to disrupt the physical capabities after a certain amout of excersion over time.i am not too certain about the details, but 140'ish bpm has 2-3 well defined meanings, why the human being is so comfortable moving at it.
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Your post is confusing. In the first part you seem to be very much in favor of the 'full power' 150+ forest sound and then arbitrarily pick 154 as an awesome tempo....why does the music need to be at x tempo in order for the KB to remain in the subconscious and the leads to be in front?

Then, in the second part of your post you go into some sort of neanderthal stuff about how 140 BPM is great for sustaining dance for long periods of time. That may be true, but it doesn't make sense in context with your other statements.

...and 2-3 well defined meanings of 140 bpm? Pretty sure 140 BPM means 140 beats per minute...not sure what other meaning it can have.            If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 19:30
well even your understandings is quite meager,just because you cant dance on that music, or those bpm's,, it doesent have to be true for everyone else
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 19:35
low bpms is more brain dance and natural body movements
higher bmps = crazy body dance and brain eating ahaha

i've read somewhere that 145bmps puts the brain in alpha state.
on some really fast tracks, 150bmp or higher.. it seams the drums are on tempo.... but the pads and effects are at half of the tempo..
maybe it's a technique.. or is just wrong perception ahah
minus
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 19:36
it may be confusing to you, because it seems your beliefs are deeply imprinted, which dont allow you to see the other persons perspective, making statements like these, yes 154 bpm has a specific vibe, so does 150, so does 148 , so does 144, 142, etc etc etc,,, and i agreed with 140'ish bpm's beacuse they also have a certain vibe, feel,i agree on both faster and slower bpm's rule ! take your pick which u like, but dont diss none
, about the 2-3 well defined things, as bro put it,, somethng to do with alpha wave movements within the brain , or something, i forgot them,
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