Plasmorh
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Posted : Jan 6, 2011 23:05
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On 2011-01-06 19:55, Trevon wrote:
in psy, everything above 145bpm tends to be darkstyle why no one makes fast happy psymusic?
Crazy Austronaut ull love it
i will get the subb on high bpms!!! im gonna make the impossible happen!! xDDDDDDDD lol
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Posted : Apr 11, 2011 12:49
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On 2010-11-23 21:24, A.Rosengren wrote:
daark, a lot of the dnb in this range of 160~~ is percieved as a "double time" which "means" 80bpm. Not to mention the kick drum is not the most "prized" item of a dnb track, it's far more common to be the snare drum.
And no offence mate but you have a picture of goa gil and Albert Hoffman as your avatar, I think we all know where you stand and by judging of this topics arguments, subjectiveness seems to be of essence.
And sorry again but I have to disagree with you once again, an example: add a conga or any type of drum (more than 1-2 hits) with a kick and a bass to a track, swing quantize it (bass&percussion) on let's say around 35-40% and try this pattern on both 150bpm and 128bpm.
Which one of these do you think would have more space for the groove to make it self properly introduced?
Thirdly, most of the music (yes feel free to bash me in flames and shitstorms) above even the 140 mark is to me completly lacking of "breathingspace" and/or groove in regarding everything from bass to percussions (do not try and convince me suomi music is 'groovy', it is complete rubbish, yes feel free to flame me once again)
IMHO I find music around 128bpm or even lower to be a lot more fluent and rich in depth than most of the music even around 135. One of the main reasons for this is the so called "plastic sense" most of modern psy-trance and it's relatives are trying to achieve by squashing the frequencies towards oblivion. Not to mention people still use the vb-1 and think that vanguard has the "richest most psy-trance friendly" sound. (not to mention the praising of Zebra2 (which imo sucks, that's right, sucks) )
And at least a fraction of this so called plastic feel and lack of depth is somewhat related to as mentioned before shorter wave lengths (caused by faster bpm) and probably because of the relationship between a shorter "clicky" kick drum in reference to a "longer" kick drum with higher release.
Note that I am in no way claiming to be a superior producer or anything like that and by me mentioning that I realize my post is far from "politically correct" regarding of where we are and what this forum holds for type of participants.
I just found it ironic that someone claiming being able to dance to 8000bpm and who's name is daark is discussing low bpm towards high.
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Posted : Apr 11, 2011 15:03
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On 2011-01-06 19:55, Trevon wrote:
in psy, everything above 145bpm tends to be darkstyle why no one makes fast happy psymusic?
well fast dark shit makes you think its psy cos of the disonant and the "whatevers blips its good" sounds in it..
making this in a happy manner will get you happy hardcore and not "psy"
my spin on the subject is that going faster than 140bpm is like going away of the beat of the heart thus alot more difficult to resonate with your heart at a dancefloor.
high speed music like those dark called things have nothing to be synced to your body exept your brain it gives me a nervous state and an unhappy feeling of anxiety and stress.
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 10:13
I personally let the track decide waht speed when im writing it, mostly, in regards to my own stuff. I find I really like 152.
But I like stuff in every range, i just like what i like.
I find it easier to dance for longer when its slower, btu not always, sometimes the energy of higher rates is good.
In mixing others stuff, I tend to stick to mid 130s for proggy, mid to hgih 140s for fullon, and low 150s for night stuff (darkpsy), or so it usually ends up. Ive lately been working entirely in Live for mixing, and experimenting with the flexibility of pretty near infinite pitch control and the nice ability to enter numerical bpm, press enter, and have the whole thing change tempo all together regardless of how many channels. Sometimes ive used increases or decreases to accent parts of songs, builds and the like. Usually i try to kee the bulk of the track near the same speed.
I think the main thing should be the flow of the party first and foremost, whihc to me means any difference in the speed of the music should flow smoothly, if the dj playing before me is playing 170+ and i want to stay low 150, I try and ease into it with stuff that either runs faster or sounds ok faster, or at least start teh set with an intro or something so its not 150 bpm all of a sudden. I find that the mind and body get accustomed to a speed, like cruise control, and dont usually do so well figuratively going from 65 mph to 45 wihtout proper care in the transition. In this sense the slow stuff, better or not, can be less energetic and break up the mood which can drive ppl from the dancefloor.
And in answer to those who said that all fast stuff tends to be darkish, well, idk but i find that my stuff often ends up happy somehow, link in my signature or this http://www.mudpeople.lsdxm.com/Mudpeople-Corium%20EP%20320k%20mp3.rar which is an original EP thingy that ended up heavy on happy. Slowest track is 148 not counting ambient intro thing.
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Posted : May 3, 2011 20:59
dont now why you discuss
i like + 150 bpm dark in the night, i like glosolalia stuff for example and -150 bpm in the morning too!
Enjoy the music
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Posted : May 10, 2011 22:06
Personally i think BPM doesn't matter all that much.
Hmmmmm.... some folks seemed to have forgotten that things like time and space are RELATIVE! i've experienced some super fast groove movements while listening to 135ish psygressive and also like a total slowdown in time even while on 150 BPM! example Deja Vu Fabrique's 'Vocal room' is probably around 150, but it feels like it's so slow because of the mapping and the whole storyline. hence my point, speed is more relative to dosage of acid than BPM.
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Posted : May 12, 2011 19:20
You can (of course) have high bpm kicks and basses with a metric fuckton of sub.
Oompa Loompa K B K B stylee.
KBBBKBBB is a lot harder, but needless to say, possible faster than is generally accepted!
And yes, the point where it gets difficult to keep the necessary dynamic movement is circa 150bpm - but faster is possible - depending on key, which is vital to consider when working at high BPMs.
Anyhow, its about so much more than the BPM, I've written psy-trance that felt pacy in places at 110bpm, or floaty stuff at 160+ (and yes, at some point or other, the way the kick and bass blur into each other is like they go out of focus compared to the rest of the tune and I actually find that quite psychedelic, and there is no reason there cannot be a lot of bass when this happens .. what is lost is dynamic definition, in some ways its almost like a single osc reese).
I wouldn't suggest thinking of a tracks speed solely in terms of BPM ... it really is a small part of the overall picture of how fast a track feels.
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Posted : May 12, 2011 22:54
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On 2010-11-22 20:49, moondoggy wrote:
its all subjective..
This.
Some people like slow music, some people like fast music, some people like drone, others like complex wankery... Who are we to tell anyone that our preference in fast/slow is more valid or "better" than theirs =]
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I wouldn't suggest thinking of a tracks speed solely in terms of BPM ... it really is a small part of the overall picture of how fast a track feels.
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Posted : May 13, 2011 01:00
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On 2011-05-12 22:54, Tachyon wrote:
Some people like slow music , some people like fast music
Who are we to tell anyone that our preference in fast/slow is more valid or "better" than theirs
I can see 15 pages its not enough to understand and clear that simple point .
We dont tell ppls what to hear , (Actually we dont care what music you like and listen to) ,
We talk here about quality - Of the proper sound result of the track .
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Posted : May 13, 2011 01:17
"Quality" is relative as well.
Some people hear the lowest of lo-fi punk and think that's super quality while decrying the best produced psytrance as shit.
It's blatantly obvious at this point in the thread that saying definitively that 'anything over x tempo is bad' is a completely subjective opinion and near-worhtless arguing over.
I may share your opinion that music over x tempo is bad, but it is definitely an OPINION and not a fact.
The people who make darktrance at 160 or 170 are achieving their 'proper sound result of the track' - you just don't happen to like it.
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Posted : May 13, 2011 01:41
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On 2011-05-13 01:17, willsanquil wrote:
it is definitely an OPINION and not a fact.
The people who make darktrance at 160 or 170 are achieving their
'proper sound result of the track' - you just don't happen to like it.
I can tell you (After 12 years of producing on Cubase and Nuendo thats its a fact - No debate) . When i
start my first projects my standard bpm was 160 so im the last one to tell him those storys .
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Posted : May 13, 2011 01:44
I have 26 years of experience living in the World - does that mean I have the authority to turn an opinion into a fact?
I submit that tacos are technically inferior to burritos!
Your point seems to be that from a technical perspective it is impossible to achieve a certain level of 'quality' above x tempo.
People love music above x tempo and are just as passionate about said music as you are about yours. That, to me, means that your technical perspective doesn't matter as much as you think that it does. If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Posted : May 13, 2011 02:15
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On 2011-05-13 01:44, willsanquil wrote:
I have 26 years of experience living in the World
And i have 42
But this is not the issue , I write and explain it here many times so i dont want to be a dumb and do that again
and again i think its enough , If 15 pages didt help so im sure in page number 20 all will be the same .
And again .. Ppls can love music on 190 (And thats great ! . Realy ..) But they should know there is an better
(And much better) sound quality option at the down tempos .
ull love it
