Maine Coon
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 00:07
No, you don't become deaf at higher BPMs. Nor do you become stupid when somebody talks too fast at you. See where I am heading?
Now, let's consider this fine example:
In your honest opinion, will there be any listeners who would say that it's a killargh whatever-core track? I claim there will be quite a few. Especially if you add an extra layer or two of flying tzwick-tzwack and a few downpitched laughters. Of course, we both know that this track was made as a joke. But let’s pretend you actually play it at a killargh Kali-rips-your-guts-out super-puper-core party. It may pass and even earn you a few compliments.
Now, how long did it take you to produce this track?
Give yourself exactly as much time, make a track of exactly the same length, but at 130 BPM. And then ask yourself: how many compliments will you get after playing it at a party? That track will not be better than the experiment above because of its low tempo. Quite the opposite! It will be easier for listeners to see through all the shortcuts and lazy production then.
Would the same number of people buy shitty cars and vote for crooked politicians if they heard all the double-talking at half the “usual” speed?
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 03:30
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dude.... the more slower the music, the less music u need to make --'
the more faster, the more beats a music have....
k lets make some maths......
trance music, regularly.... 7 minutes...
thats like 10 32beat parts(dunno the english name, help me)....
its 1/3 more info u gotta imagine to make it to 7 minutes........
did i make myself clear?
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Plasmorh
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 03:35
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On 2010-12-02 22:56, willsanquil wrote:
Heh...reminds me of going to darkpsy parties where the DJ is train wrecking the fuck out of two tracks but the dancefloor doesn't even notice because its such chaotic noise in the first place
darkpsy is hard to mix..... gotta figure out the best parts in both musics.....
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 08:51
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On 2010-12-03 03:30, Plasmorh wrote:
the more faster, the more beats a music have....
[grade school math skipped]
did i make myself clear?
Yes, I kinda knew that already.
I didn't say that it's easier to produce a high-tempo track. I said it's easier to hide sloppy work in a high-tempo track than in a low-tempo track. And no, I am not going to spell it all out for the 4th time.
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 10:03
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Whats the point in arguing about BPM? Its the mood and emotion that comes across that is important.
Only problem with high BPM is that it lends itself to aggressive and noisy moods, and excels at the monotonic and un-dynamic. Now I'm not saying everything like that is bad, look at NIN downward spiral, but NIN has a lot of change, contrast and ear candy going on besides the noise.
Something which not many high BPM producers are aware of is that people need contrasts, rests, change to keep interest, not just sustained noise at the same energy level. It becomes extremely tedious and tiring.
Now some high BPM 3/4 tracks with minimal finely balanced foreground/background, that have long group lengths, and slowly evolving yet melodic leads can very effectively sound trancey and moody. Love that kind of stuff. Rampant angry men efficient chips comes to mind although I didnt check the BPM.
What I definitely don't like to listen to is aggro noise, unless it is supremely moody and interesting. Hearing run-of-the-mill aggro noise on a trance floor makes me wanna flee the party. Thats a pretty strong visceral reaction.
Party fliers should have disclaimers saying that they intend to play aggro noise. I feel cheated when I pay for that. I feel the DJ who plays it is self-involved egotistic and inconsiderate.
Plasmorh
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Posted : Dec 3, 2010 22:18
what you lot make of this ? not speed , just the whole dripping with retardedness thing , fuck ,
disclaimer : "imho"*
*in my holy opinion
OMG this is soooo Anoyinggg!! :| i dunn find the Psychedelic at all...it's Disturbing...
if it wasnt so repetative...
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dija
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Posted : Dec 10, 2010 18:40
in order to determine a notes frequency you must hear the wave shape. the number of times the wave passes a given point determines the pitch or frequency of that sound. therefore at very fast tempos/short note lengths etc there is not enough sustain to accurately gauge the pitch or frequency of said sound because you cannot hear the entirety of the wave as many times as necessary or perhaps its not possible for the human brain to be that precise in hearing.
http://www.youtube.com/user/trawhi (tutorials)
http://www.myspace.com/eusidmusic
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Posted : Dec 15, 2010 10:31
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On 2010-12-03 03:30, Plasmorh wrote:
the more slower the music , the less music u need to make
did i make myself clear ?
Well .. I realy think this is one of the most interesting joke ever i was reading here in isratrance .
You realy think so or you just wrote it to say somthing because this is totaly wrong and you dont know what you are talking about .. Man .. Sory to tell you but try think for a second , Its inverted , When you work slow so you have an much more 'Place' to add many sounds in (You dont have to be minimal because theres low bpm) , Tool and element and to creat an real harmony and deepness together and to hear the sound (With an more live feeling ..) Then in high speed go to nowhere .
I used to work 10 years ago on 160 bpm and belive me to work right and under 148 bpm will bring you only an good results .
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Posted : Dec 15, 2010 19:05
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On 2010-12-15 10:31, Cardinals Cartel wrote:
I used to work 10 years ago on 160 bpm and belive me to work right and under 148 bpm will bring you only an good results .
so is there any scientific proof yet on why is that so?
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Posted : Dec 15, 2010 20:30
Just got Megalopsy's The Abstract Machine album, and I was pleased to see a 'dark/twilight/etc' album that doesn't go above 148 but still kicks total ass.
Sure, there's good music made in the 150+ BPM, I guess. I listened to some played out on a good system this past weekend but the thing I notice most about myself is that my dance changes significantly when it goes into the upper tempos for a long time...and not necessarily changes it in a good way. With the slower (relatively speaking - was lucky enough to see PENTA!!!) stuff I was able to really get into it and rock out, jump around go crazy. But when the faster/darker/twilight-er stuff came...much less crazy, more kind of stuttery shuffle. Noticed a lot of the same with the other people around me.
next act came on, slowed it down a bit more and yup - dance was all crazy again. You don't need to go fast to get people dancing fast, and in some cases going faster will actually make people dance slower or...stop dancing altogether. It's completely subjective though, the set that made me dance less/slower was my friend's favorite set of the night.
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