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WHY I love to call it DARK PSY ( essay)
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Namaha Recs
Namaha Recs
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 11:09
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Moki :
You are calling my culture and religion as "worshipping the darkside" and that is why i have a problem with it! dont YOU fucking get it? that there is ALOT more to what you claim to know and write, but you dont bother to understand the bigger picture, the time-tested traditions of my culture which are being misrepresented by junkies as yourself! and you are posting all this bullshit on your site for people to read? DO NOT talk about what you DO NOT know! i feel sorry for you, that you are living inside such a closed mind. you cant even take criticism on your 'essay', worse than a kid!
and yes it is a [very weak attempt at an] essay. know. your. facts.
anyhow this is offtopic issue, mods this doesnt belong here, maybe in the links section.
have fun everyone 
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moki
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 11:27
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of course it belongs here. mods please dont delete anything in the topic i opened.
no i am not saying that your culture and religion is worshipping tha darkside, i will put a sentence or two right now to make it clear. but anyway this is your interpretation of the text , it is not what i said. i am not talking about your culture, i am tlaking about psy trance. and you dont get critic either, also worse than a kid.
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Namaha Recs
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 11:35
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what a comeback i say! 
yes ofcourse you are talking about my culture, you are referring to the Shiva symbology and Nataraja! where do you think that comes from? lol and what is there to criticize me, i am merely stating facts. while you are not. simple.
LEARN. and be aware of what you talk about.
here, have a lollipop
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fukdup
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 11:36
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Hi moki , i have gone through various posts by you and followed some discussions keenly but not participated so far , my question to you .. what makes you think you know more than all the Indian people here who hold opposing or at least very different views on Hinduism than you ? They might just know a lot more than you , don`t you think ? or has your one singular `trip` to India made you a higher and greater authority on all things hindu .
I think Basilisk sums it up pretty good here :
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On 2008-12-05 08:13, Basilisk wrote:
This essay dances around a central idea--that a journey into darkness to confront one's fears is part of the psychedelic experience--without really driving the point home in any seriously substantiated way. Gross oversimplications, errors, and outright falsehoods abound.
Using this scheme (which is fairly representative of what you find at the post-secondary level):
http://http-server.carleton.ca/~tpychyl/49311/finaleval.html
...a "D" would be generous.
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..a journey into darkness to confront one's fears is part of the psychedelic experience.. DUHH .. everyone knows what it is when u take lsd and get freaked and its all happy smiling in the day .. sure its got therapeutic value perhaps but .... why spin such a yarn of shit around it ? clearly u seem to have done more than what is good for u ..and you most certainly have a very poor understanding of what u keep babbling around here . and take a moment to think about the fact that not one single person agrees with u , not here on this forum and probably not anywhere else ... and certainly not in India
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Hero #1
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 11:42
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^^
Hey fukdup, I think your argument is lame 
Providing information refuting Moki's claims like Namaha did if you have anyting to share will be more useful
This argument about no one agreeing , so this is wrong is very closed minded methinks.
There are some defenders of Hinduism here, but as far as I know, there are many interpretations of the same (I am no expert and im not saying what Namaha,Moki,Fria said is right / wrong, just some thoughts  )
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Balcannibal
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 11:43
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On 2008-12-05 09:46, hallucinator wrote:
wtf...
Once More Pixan Recordings quote :
" The sound is like dark..full onnightandday..psychedelic stuff...chill man it's just music "
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^^^^
Word!
Bravos amigo, 100% agree on this one  |
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moki
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 11:51
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okey, may be you can have a look now. do you feel better with it now? or will i have to read your rude comments again ?
p.s. to Namaha records or whatever ( how you guys from India succed to have the best artists in your portfolio ey)
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moki
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 11:53
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or you just look at that straight:
Shiva is the destroyer of the world - his Nataraj dance represents both the destruction and the creation of the universe and reveals the cycles of death, birth and rebirth. Shiva has often been depicted on the covers of trance albums or on the decorations of the trance gatherings. The Nataraj dance of Shiva has always been an important subject in the trance culture, which is a fact that makes this culture quite connected to a symbolic destruction dance act since its very beginning . And even if in the Hindu Religion Shiva is refered to as a God of Ultimate Light, the psy trance culture misinterpreted that and emphasised mainly on his symbolic dance of destruction. In this way the psychedelic trance culture actually emphasised mainly on the dark side in its concepts, even before the sub style dark psy appeared out of the classical psychedelic trance after the new millennium. Even if dark psychedelic is ridiculously being ignored by its roots as a negatively loaded demonic concept, it is actually the very essence of the trance culture at all.
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Hero #1
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 11:56
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On 2008-12-05 11:09, Namaha Recs wrote:
Moki :
You are calling my culture and religion as "worshipping the darkside" and that is why i have a problem with it! dont YOU fucking get it?
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Hehe, you sound like the templar of Hinduism
Besides from some interpretations , Hinduism is too broad to be categorised as a religion but its Dharma, way of life. 
There is no doctrine unlike other religions, so apart from the Vedas, is anything really set in STONE ??
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Namaha Recs
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 11:58
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@ Moki time zero whatever: its called networking
i find this part amusing : *Please note that not the pioneer of Trance, Goa Gil, was responsible for the misinterpretation of the religious ideas but mainly the western trance parties that followed his concept in the middle of the 90es.
no comments!  wunderbar!
as you were
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moki
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 12:03
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this is not an answer. i am not fan of teaching attitude, actually i am strongly a follower of anarchy in my political ideas and never liked schools and teachers, so for me it is not very easy to accept any teaching attitude. sorry if i am not polite enough, it is not because i dont like you, it is just the way i am with that. but if you preach and teach in such a rude way, then answer me at least. is it better now? are there wrong facts now?
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Namaha Recs
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 12:08
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Hero: Yup, totally agree, it is a way of life, the Sanatan Dharma
And you're right, everything is not set in stone. yet there are those practices and teachings which have been passed down from generation to generation..which form the traditions of this culture and way of life and have withstood the test of time...we can continue discussing in PM if you like
Moki: Appreciate you editing the essay, im not trying to preach or teach u, but merely saying please be aware of what you write. it is the responsibility of every writer/author to be fully aware of the subject that she/he tackles, especially when it comes to religion and culture.
In this case, maybe you can look into the symbology of Nataraja in traditional Indian dance and music, it is very fascinating, and am sure you will find insightful information.
Best Wishes
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V3NOM
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 12:13
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cheers Moki, you got me really interested in actually reading up and expanding my understanding of this amazing stuff.
I guess if you had gone to uni and done essays you'd realise that deep research and referencing is about the only way to make somehting credible, and using those true facts to put forward your opinion.
anyway, I always disliked the religious imagary used from India in this scene, unless it was done by people who knew what they were on about rather than chemical infused hippies.
no comment further until I have got the books I just purchased from amazon on the topic and done a few months oryears of research, religion is such a personal and cultural thing, and you must be ever so careful to not misinterpret it.
anways. Moki you keep saying you will go away and not come back.
do us all a favor and be truthful for once and don't come back again. |
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Hero #1
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 12:22
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On 2008-12-05 12:13, sergeantpepper666 wrote:
do us all a favor and be truthful for once and don't come back again.
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Is that all we have learned from our experiences in the psytrance scene 
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V3NOM
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Posted : Dec 5, 2008 12:45
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you're right, got carried away there.
I"m leaving this argument for now as it is just a circle that makes my neck and shoulders ache.
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