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Why hasn't trance "taken off" in the USA?
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kahn
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 01:08
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Wow this thread is getting awesome. I completely agree with your sentiment Zinduku, of having to separate our psytrance community/parties from the all too typical Raves. Oddly enough, I think the club scene is doing something to remedy this in the States. The Electronica club scene is really starting to take off into the mainstream; and with this people are now being exposed to electronica through different mediums than raves, and this is carrying into the mainstream. I think this opens people up to the idea of different types of electronic music dance parties, rather than labeling them all as "Raves."
In addition, I think the younger people are more and more accepting of our and other electronica communities; even those who do not consider themselves fans themselves. With respect and recognition from mainstream, even if it doesn't bring everybody necessarily INTO the scene, it will lead a recognition of the diversity that exists between all music forms, and how they can all beautifully exist together in harmony. 
On the note of parties that are either dark parties or full-on parties, as somebody had mentioned, take a look at the Psytribe/Ananda party coming up and check out the lineup. Although it seems to be primarily full-on, it does have a nice balance of different styles. |
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Zinduka
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 02:03
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On 2008-06-02 01:08, kahn wrote:
Wow this thread is getting awesome. I completely agree with your sentiment Zinduku,
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A. Zinduku sound too much like soduko, its zinduka  - but don't worrie about it.
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On the note of parties that are either dark parties or full-on parties, as somebody had mentioned, take a look at the Psytribe/Ananda party coming up and check out the lineup. Although it seems to be primarily full-on, it does have a nice balance of different styles.
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you are kidding right? without looking at the line up you know exectly what is going to happen. in fact lets look at the lineup:
same old psytribe dj's as always plus gatto matto and two others at the start i don't know about + 1 israeli artist playing melodic fullon. sorry but that party just proves my point, i hate to pick on psytribe, there are all such great people and good friends of mine, but this is exectly what i said - same dj's playing same spots with same music. and dammit, vasily writes much more interesting full on then anyone else around here plays, yet he keeps getting night spots... drives me nuts.
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PsyDrama
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 02:53
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Oh.My.God
I'm probably going to regret getting involved but I can't stand it anymore!
There's nothing worse that people saying "I don't mean to criticize, BUT..." and then dumping a bunch of crap all over you.
Zinduka, have you ever even been to an outdoor Psytribe party?
It's unbelievable to me that people who are ignorant/jealous/bitter/judgmental about the psytrance scene continually critique things they seem to have zero knowledge about. I have learned on this forum to mind my own business and not get involved in these discussions too much but I am really starting to get fed up with all the crap people are dishing out lately without thinking for two seconds before they post.
This whole thread is about how we have managed to keep the psytrance scene happy healthy and going strong while staying underground in the US. In Los Angeles, Psytribe has kept the scene alive for YOU for over ten years and still going. How would that be possible if nothing ever changes at Psytribe parties as you said?
Have you ever asked Konflux what timeslot he prefers, or do you just assume that you know what is best for him? Vasily has been with Psytribe for a long time and has earned tremendous respect and success of late for producing his own new, edgy sound which cannot easily be categorized into any genre. I am pretty sure he can have any timeslot he wants on a Psytribe lineup. Again, your ignorance is showing.
Each and every DJ on the lineup for Into the Wild on the 28th has their own unique style and sound. All the DJs involved, including Gatto and our friend Kiva who you conveniently left off, are constantly experimenting with new sounds and genres. In addition, the two DJs who "you don't know" are part of the crew Ananda which is producing this party. How about a tiny bit of respect for new people coming into the scene, and are making the effort to put on parties? How about checking out their skills before expressing your opinion? And dismissing X-Noize as merely "israeli melodic fullon" is so outrageous I really don't know what to say.
If you can't hear the variety and intelligence of the music at a Psytribe party, maybe the problem lies with you my friend, and the level of listening sophistication you demand (or not) from yourself. The common thread for all the DJs at this party will be a true psychedelic trance sound. If this is not for you, there are other options, for instance Destination Unknown in Las Vegas on the same night, where there will be various genres played. Or if it seems like it will be so boring and the same as ever, just stay home. PLEASE.
Finally, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Everyone who has an opinion on how parties should be produced and arranged should put on their own parties and show us all how it is done. Other than that maybe you should just keep it to yourself. |
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 03:20
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Somebody needs to throw a party named "A Psychedelic Pig Pickin'"... like, soon.
C'mon. Best name ever. |
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PsyDrama
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 03:37
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 03:40
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I knew this thread was eventually going to open a can of worms.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 04:03
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On 2008-06-02 03:37, PsyDrama wrote:
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I don't get it...
Update: I looked it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_pickin'
and I still don't get it 
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It's just a funny name for a party  |
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kahn
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 05:07
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The way Vasily described his style to me, was that it's not quite night, and it's not quite morning... right in the middle; and I think that's an accurate description. It has a varied, bouncy, groovy, and zippy sound to it, and it makes it really unlike what I've heard from others. It definitely has a positive/happy vibe to it, even though the sounds are largely composed of "dark psy" noises. It's not very melodic, but makes up for it in variety and technical superiority. I think his sound fits anywhere 3am-9am, or even later. Also, I don't think that's a live set either, which means he might not necessarily be mixing his own stuff. At the last party in fact, he was mixing a lot darker than usual (which turned out nicely as well), and even played a track or two he collaborated with Dai on; was great. So yeah, I don't think it's really fair to say that he's being put at a bad time slot given his varied style.
But yeah, each DJ at the party is bringing their own unique style to the tables (plus a couple I haven't heard yet either, but look forward to it). In fact, I've never heard a Psytribe resident play the same style consecutively at two parties yet. |
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Zinduka
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 06:41
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Ok Einat. let's pick this apart shell we:
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On 2008-06-02 02:53, PsyDrama wrote:
Oh.My.God
I'm probably going to regret getting involved but I can't stand it anymore!
There's nothing worse that people saying "I don't mean to criticize, BUT..." and then dumping a bunch of crap all over you.
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Like i said, i hate to pick on psytribe, it just came up to be the point that kahn made. but i DO mean to criticize, i just didn't want to point out this or that crew. guess i was right about that, as it is easier to hear general criticism and not something pointed at you.
i can't get it why on this forum whenever there is a thread with some criticism, it becomes a personal thing and no one can look above the written word and understand that criticism is a way of conversing and moving and changing things. dismissing every thing someone says as they being ignorant/jealous/bitter/judgmental will never lead to any kind of improvement,
and for the record- when people criticize you it means they care enough to put effort into telling you shit you might not want to hear.
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In Los Angeles, Psytribe has kept the scene alive for YOU for over ten years and still going. How would that be possible if nothing ever changes at Psytribe parties as you said?
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Now, no one is dissing what you guys have done down there, and you are right i was a bit quick on the keyboard - I only been to psytribe parties over the last year or so, and i should have pointed that out. no one is trying to take away all you did for the scene and keep doing for it the last 10 years.
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each and every DJ on the lineup for Into the Wild on the 28th has their own unique style and sound. All the DJs involved, including Gatto and our friend Kiva who you conveniently left off, are constantly experimenting with new sounds and genres. In addition, the two DJs who "you don't know" are part of the crew Ananda which is producing this party. How about a tiny bit of respect for new people coming into the scene, and are making the effort to put on parties? How about checking out their skills before expressing your opinion?
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i didn't express an opinion - for the good or the bad. i really don't know the two ananda dj's that is why i didn't say anything about them other then "i don't know them" - pure and plain fact, as far as kiva goes, i have yet to hear him play outdoors, so i again i don't want to pass judgment
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Finally, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Everyone who has an opinion on how parties should be produced and arranged should put on their own parties and show us all how it is done.
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working on it, but not to show you how it's done, i have my own reasons.
However the point i was making is still valid- same people playing over and over again - now if that is not the opposite of diversity i don't know what is.
i guess my point didn't go across as well as i wanted it to since i used the psytribe example, it's a general thing here in the scene, mostly the same people playing all the
parties.
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Other than that maybe you should just keep it to yourself.
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not likely, like you didn't want to stay quite.
i'm glad that the scene has plenty of emotions going on, as this makes it so much real.
i'm really sad this turned into another of those threads where expressing your mind is
not allowed or else the psytrance gods & godesses will get pissed.
actually i have heard plenty of vasily, dai, and spyros including some sets that blow my mind away. i know very well these are the people throwing, organizing and putting their hearts and souls into these events, (along with andy, chino and a bunch of others)
read through my post carefully again, and you will understand that at any point did I not say a bad word on the music, just pointed out the lack of diversity.
which is also the thing at gil. only dark and one dj for 25 hours. you know what you are going to get. www.myspace.com/zinduka |
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Zinduka
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 06:45
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I don't think it's really fair to say that he's being put at a bad time slot given his varied style.
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again read what i said, i never said good or bad - just the last one vasily played night, and i really want to hear him play a live morning set, it's been a while since i heard that.
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Zinduka
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 06:57
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On 2008-06-02 03:40, konvndrvm wrote:
I knew this thread was eventually going to open a can of worms.
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shouldn't we open it and check out the contents and together clean the mess?
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PsyDrama
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 07:31
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Well I am a little calmer now having had a nice nap, and also delighted to be referred to as a Psytrance Goddess. I like that! 
As this thread points out, our scene is in the US and its a small one. Complaining about diversity is totally pointless. The reason you see the same DJs playing at parties is because there are very few people who actually get their shit together to throw parties so they can play. If more people throw parties, we will see more DJs playing. If you have the funds to bring multiple headliners from Europe and elsewhere, go for it. If you think CA is bad go to some of the states with smaller scenes and try to find diversity there.
Your opinion and criticism is as valid as anyone's, however it is your tone, in saying stuff like: Quote:
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Predicting how a party will go without the evidence or experience to back it up and making statements like "vasily always gets night spots, drives me nuts" then backtracking saying "oh, I meant I want to hear him play during the day"; this is what irritated me.
My point is for all of us to remember that the people they are writing about actually read this forum. If you have something to say, why can't you make sure it is accurate, well researched and more than just opinion. Otherwise your "quickness on the keyboard" makes you sound like a shmuck.
I hope we don't go on about this for too long, especially since this tangent is off topic for this thread and things were going so well here before we got on this. I am sure we can continue this in person at Gemini |
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Zinduka
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 08:08
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My point is for all of us to remember that the people they are writing about actually read this forum. If you have something to say, why can't you make sure it is accurate, well researched and more than just opinion. Otherwise your "quickness on the keyboard" makes you sound like a shmuck.
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agreed. I apologize if i hurt anyone. we can discuss this after at or after the party and i'll explain myself better.
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I hope we don't go on about this for too long, especially since this tangent is off topic for this thread and things were going so well here before we got on this. I am sure we can continue this in person at Gemini
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can't make it to gemini, but we will figure it out.
back on topic now.
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Some quotes that really stand out from the last page or so:
"I've never heard a Psytribe resident play the same style consecutively at two parties yet."
QFT!!
"as far as kiva goes, i have yet to hear him play outdoors"
One of the most amazing DJs LA has to offer, genre aside. We are lucky he prefers to play Psy. His sets are an absolute treat.
To say something, then bring it back on topic, I think its almost comical to see people talking about diversifying, and such - when there are 40~ states that have NO scene. We are blessed and a half that we have what we have. Now, I am not saying that we need to be stagnant and stick with what is a "good thing now". There is always room to grow and learn - and it appears the U.S. psy-scene is doing just that.
Things are very different than 2005 - when LA, SF, NY Asheville, NC and *maybe* Miami were known trance hubs in the U.S.
Now look at us! Nationwide collaborations on lineups. People from NY playing in Psyowa, Chilluminati playing in SF, etc.
Things can only get better from here... |
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the reason you see the same djs playing at local parties, is because they are FAMILY parties, not big fold-out flyers!
i have always felt that part of gathering in a group--
and hearing the members of the family who have put in the effort to make the gathering, or have something special to present
-- is doing your part to either make the party happen, or make it special in some way, or both.
its part of cycles; gathering often/semi-regularly, we have the chance to dance and see the people we know and love, and make new friends and hear what each artist has to offer!
its so prohibitively expensive to travel cross country nowadays, the fact that we see cross pollination at this level is impressive and testament to the dedication and passion making the events and the scene happen!
so many times in the past i can remember feeling disappointed after big expensive overseas livesets that didnt compare to some of the crushing and overskilled djs in the us scene... in 2004, shapestatic making people flail, cry and do somersaults , then dark soho made people go for chai and naps. theres just something fulfilling about seeing your friends up there plain shredding the place.
which is not to say that there arent international acts who havent made people flail, but i digress
-locals can tune in to the long - arc changes and energetic patterns/stylistic preferences in the community. jet lagged superstars often dont. they have the advantage of having amazing material and im not discounting the importance of international involvement, im just saying, some of our best parties were the ones with locals and friends playing.
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