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Why hasn't trance "taken off" in the USA?
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SpecRob
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Posted : May 28, 2008 10:12
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We here in the East actually have the perfect place for a GREAT Psytrance Festivals. It's called Indian Look Out Country Club. They've had some great Festivals there - Gathering of the Vibes, Camp Creek(Max Creek) and now the Camp Bisco (Disco Biscuits) discovered it and are having their second Festival there. The place is totally cool. It's self policed by friendly Bikers(no cops allowed in). In fact I know the owner and he's a real nice guy. He started by having Biker fest there. The town politicans didn't like it and started giving him all kinds of problems, so he ran for Town Supervisor and won(end of problems). Then we have Echo Lake, down near the PA border, Aladdin Orb July 10 - 13. Another way cool place. I met a guy from Hamburg Germany there last year and he said if this Show and Bill were in Germany, there would be at least 5000 people at it. As it was, I estimate maybe 800 showed up. I never saw a cop. So, there are places when things get bigger in the East. Cheers, Rob
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bluespectralmonkey
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Posted : May 28, 2008 10:51
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there are plenty of mini scenes and i would actually argue that the scene has in fact TAKEN OFF
as a more positive perspective and counterpoint
too bad about symbiosis but i wouldnt necessarily call that a psytrance festival, its a festy that has some psytrance  which seemed to go over well ,
the efforts of many make a wonderful time for all
ive drawn blood and shed tears over the mission, but we are all on it, and if we continue, we will all continue to have the amazing experiences we seek. it doesnt matter if it gets BIG, as long as it keeps going and we all have each other
man i sound like im rollLOLLING
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DanVapid
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Posted : May 28, 2008 18:19
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at the core, i think it's due to the inherent xenophobic, isolationist mentality that's so prevalent in the U.S., which has resulted mostly from our geographic isolation and superpower status. we like things homegrown. we are the primary exporter of pop-culture. we favor the NFL, NBA, and MLB to soccer, cricket, or rugby - CNN, Fox, and local news to the BBC - rock and hiphop to 4/4 dance music. we are more self-sufficient than any country where psytrance has thrived. we travel less outside our borders, and are less aware of what exists beyond them. we're this way because we don't have to be otherwise. as the main superpower for the last several decades, we've had a superior quality of life, and haven't had to resort to collective action with other less powerful countries. a chicken/egg theory but a valid one at that... |
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Spier
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Posted : May 28, 2008 19:43
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On 2008-05-28 18:19, DanVapid wrote:
at the core, i think it's due to the inherent xenophobic, isolationist mentality that's so prevalent in the U.S., which has resulted mostly from our geographic isolation and superpower status. we like things homegrown. we are the primary exporter of pop-culture. we favor the NFL, NBA, and MLB to soccer, cricket, or rugby - CNN, Fox, and local news to the BBC - rock and hiphop to 4/4 dance music. we are more self-sufficient than any country where psytrance has thrived. we travel less outside our borders, and are less aware of what exists beyond them. we're this way because we don't have to be otherwise. as the main superpower for the last several decades, we've had a superior quality of life, and haven't had to resort to collective action with other less powerful countries. a chicken/egg theory but a valid one at that...
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i love u , took the words of my mouth , im ot american but i have spent a fair bit of time there and some of my really good friends are form the US ( they are into psy haha )but thats their opinion aswell .. =P |
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Btros
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Posted : May 28, 2008 20:01
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On 2008-05-28 18:19, DanVapid wrote:
at the core, i think it's due to the inherent xenophobic, isolationist mentality that's so prevalent in the U.S., which has resulted mostly from our geographic isolation and superpower status. we like things homegrown. we are the primary exporter of pop-culture. we favor the NFL, NBA, and MLB to soccer, cricket, or rugby - CNN, Fox, and local news to the BBC - rock and hiphop to 4/4 dance music. we are more self-sufficient than any country where psytrance has thrived. we travel less outside our borders, and are less aware of what exists beyond them. we're this way because we don't have to be otherwise. as the main superpower for the last several decades, we've had a superior quality of life, and haven't had to resort to collective action with other less powerful countries. a chicken/egg theory but a valid one at that...
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This is spot-on .... I myself never thought I would ever be so into a genre of music this abstract, with no words, few memorable, catchy melodies, etc., before I lived outside the states. I had been listening to a little bit of trance, and some other mainstream EDM like Fatboy Slim, but I definitely wasn't very interested in going to "raves," and I am a pretty open-minded person. While living overseas, I was introduced to the psychedelic trance culture by a group of older people I very much respected, and I experienced a whole new level of sophistication in events, and a more mature approach to "partying." If I had not taken that step outside my bubble, I would probably still think all EDM was rave music, and I almost certainly would never have heard of psytrance.
I also agree with everything FaceHead said - you just said it so eloquently I won't even attempt to elaborate on it 
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damon
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Posted : May 28, 2008 20:27
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thegooddale
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Posted : May 28, 2008 20:32
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On 2008-05-26 19:08, bastardsamadhi wrote:
one might examine attitudes towards electronic music in general, all night dance parties/raves, and recreational drug usage held by society / authorities in this country..
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somewhat true, but there is a big rave with rampant drug use in Dallas at least once a month that is ignored for the most part by the authorities. This leads me to believe what I said in the beginning about the advertising/promotion. Speaking for Texas at least, we have a ton of raver kids here that would love the psytrance parties if they knew about them. |
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DanVapid
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Posted : May 28, 2008 22:14
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on the bright side, since things haven't "taken off", we still have one of the most raw, unspoiled psy scenes in the world...how things used to be in other countries many many years ago. for example, gaian mind festival is considered one of the best in the world by foreigners who've experienced it, because of the clean, family, original trance vibe it has retained. |
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NeuroNympho
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Posted : May 28, 2008 23:07
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I'm suprised no one has really gone into money, I don't think trance is very profitable in this Country. Can't use psyTrance as a marketing tool or produce millions in profit as say pop, rock or hip-hop can. Besides I think the some of the morals in the trance scene are self-sufficiency, peace, enlightenment, anti-establishment, these concepts themselves don't really circulate much cash so they are still categorized as grass-roots and wouldn't get much attention.
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kahn
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Posted : May 29, 2008 00:33
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On 2008-05-28 09:35, zariat wrote:
there have been some great posts on this topic...
notably the people who mentioned the 2003 Rave act, never using the "t" (techno) or "r" (rave) words when promoting, etc... plus one major thing....
GETTING VENUES.
symbiosis gathering has been trying for the last three years (successfully, to an extent) to build the west coast trance community by bringing top tier international artists and tons of locals for a 4-day campout in the tradition of parties like rainbow serpent and universo parelello, which myself and the other organizers attend. we were on the crew at turkey, boom, rainbow, many times and try year after year to bring the vibe home...
but this year,w e are totally fuct without the ability to find a suitable home for a few thousand people to party in the woods - NO VENUE.
basically we throw a week-long permaculture course before our events to prep the land, and go so far as to do mycoremediation (planting mushrooms to soak up oil) on fields where we park cars. we;re serious about taking care of the land, with a track record to prove it, and no problems with the law in 3 years... but still, we can't find a spot.
so yeah - the people would come, if we could get a spot, a permit, and use mainstream media to advertise....
like the 90's used to be, for those who remember the good ole daze...
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I'm sure that I must be missing something here, but explain to me exactly WHY (beyond the obvious RAVE Act), you cannot promote psy parties into the mainstream, and use mainstream venues? As we know, lots of "festivals" go off without a hitch including: Electro Techno Disco Pop, Electric Daisy Carnival, Monster Massive, Together As One, and to an extent Coachella. While they usually don't feature much if any psy, they are large scale electronic dance music events that are widely promoted bordering into the mainstream, and use mainstream venues such as the LA Sports Arena and the Colosseum. Perhaps the laws are different in Northern California, I'm not sure. But given the blow up of the electronica clubbing scene, especially in the recent few years, I believe it's more or less safe to throw a psy party that gets promoted up to the mainstream, as a festival. I don't believe the type of music (since it's all above 120bpm even slow house) would change the marketability. |
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sage2012
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Posted : May 29, 2008 02:10
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On 2008-05-28 18:19, DanVapid wrote:
at the core, i think it's due to the inherent xenophobic, isolationist mentality that's so prevalent in the U.S., which has resulted mostly from our geographic isolation and superpower status. we like things homegrown. we are the primary exporter of pop-culture. we favor the NFL, NBA, and MLB to soccer, cricket, or rugby - CNN, Fox, and local news to the BBC - rock and hiphop to 4/4 dance music. we are more self-sufficient than any country where psytrance has thrived. we travel less outside our borders, and are less aware of what exists beyond them. we're this way because we don't have to be otherwise. as the main superpower for the last several decades, we've had a superior quality of life, and haven't had to resort to collective action with other less powerful countries. a chicken/egg theory but a valid one at that...
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bingo! don pardo, tell him what he's won..
true, this sort of thread does pop-up on here every so often and usually results in a similar collection of reasons for the relative obscurity of psytrance in the u.s. just a couple of other things i would like to add to this..
electronic music and it's related events make up such a small part of the musical/cultural landscape here that there really aren't a ton of outlets for people to be introduced to psytrance unless they are actively seeking out an alternative. i would guess that a lot of people getting into electronic music here in the states do so online with LOCAL message boards not unlike this one which are oriented predominantly towards more established genres like house, breaks, d&b, and the like. for someone just getting aquainted with EDM on the whole, these are all fairly accessible genres to get into (as in, not a lot of hunting-down required). this isn't to say that any of these are 'mainstream' styles per se, but there is plenty to choose from at your local retailer if you aren't necessarily looking online for the latest releases. don't get me wrong, i like all sorts of music including some of the styles just mentioned (and i'm not trying to sound as though i am putting down other genres in comparison), but for most people that are getting interested in EDM from either a rock or hip-hop background, it's easier to learn to swim in shallow water first than it is to dive head-first into the deep end. and lets face it, there is a lot of psytrance out there that is probably just a little too 'intense' or 'out-there' for more casual tastes.
is this a bad thing? not at all, imho.. in fact just the opposite. frankly, i'm quite happy with the psytrance scenes here in the u.s. staying on the course that they are alreday on. having been to my fair share of raves in the 90's, i think that i can safely say that there are some things that i would prefer to have stay in the rave scene (gangs/police activity/rampant visible drug use/very *young* attendess, etc..). psytrance has always been something of an alternative for me, it's out there for those who seek it, but still elusive enough to avoid many of the excesses that seem to go hand-in-hand with rave and club culture. i also like the fact that due to the relatively insular and close-knit atmosphere of psytrance parties, i've gotten a chance to *know* some of the other people in the scene rather than just be another anonymous face in the crowd. there is a sense of community that used to exist in the early ravey days, but has since been disappeared as the veterans bowed-out and the next generation(s) of attendees filled their place, and much of the philosophy and idealism of the 'rave new world' was simply never passed on. small and intermediate sized psytrance events on the other hand still manage to create and nurture environments where people may come together to trust and appreciate without judgement those around them, maintaining that 'underground' vibe that many talk about, but few ever really get to experience.. michael
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Psycosmo
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Posted : May 29, 2008 05:41
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people think of trance as video game/car commercial music, not something anyone would actually listen to.
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Psycosmo
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Posted : May 29, 2008 05:41
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+1 to what both DanVapid and Sage said |
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Zman
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Posted : May 29, 2008 06:25
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Watch out for IOWA in 2-3 years.
Its already sky rocketing thanks to my bros Nick, Abe & Chris!
Keep it up Mindoutpsyde!
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diogo_c
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Posted : May 29, 2008 19:44
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On 2008-05-28 22:14, DanVapid wrote:
on the bright side, since things haven't "taken off", we still have one of the most raw, unspoiled psy scenes in the world...how things used to be in other countries many many years ago. for example, gaian mind festival is considered one of the best in the world by foreigners who've experienced it, because of the clean, family, original trance vibe it has retained.
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that's a great think, cause in brazil psy has taken-off....to such a crappy direction. we're dominated by trends, like the still-strong melodic-fullon and now the psy-electro sounds....other awful aspect is that here psy is done by the elite and FOR the elite - which makes a scene corrupt to its core...parties are expensive, which narrows so much the audience.
and no one seems to want to change this, which is even worst.
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