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moki
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 21:16
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okey people, you almost made me believe what you say. so i will go to better listen to the divine part of the whole thing - the frequence at the beginning of all there.
had a couple of too much chillums and have right now totally no need of intensive agressive posts. i made my own conclusion. for me he is a saddhu. for the rest i dont know, reality is an opinion.
but btw i saw quite a few things that bothered me in the posts that a worth a comment but i go to trip right now and leave the fucking thing.  never called him a part timer, for me he does it full time inclusively as a dj. but whatever. this was to make it clear to you in your terms. temporarily. temporarily experience.
only this one:
"Hmmm.... how do u relate this point to him?
I would really like to know. "
i mean the ritual of new initiations that the saddhus have. this is very well described by baba rampuri, another pilger from the early years of goa, in his book "baba". http://www.rampuri.com
according to the teachings a person has to become knowledge from five different teachers and then after that he experiences his own dead in a ritual of initiation. to be ever considered as naga baba. including cutting of the hair and then the ritual bad. this is the death of the ego that they experience, and it is also their rebirth.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 21:19
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mk47
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 21:24
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lol , n1
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Trick
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 21:34
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finally mokti viewpoint has been defeated
or maybe not lets see how far this goes haha
mk47 chill out on calling him a kunt
unless he had a direct experience with you
that he acted like a kunt dont say that
in which case you should share altho many who have met him have said he is kind and grateful
othewise go bom a chillum wiht mokti
cuckoooo
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 21:34
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 02:53
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lets not argue if he is a saddhu or not, i think only the gods know the answer to that, he's an important person in the scene (argueably the father of the scene) he gives people a special experience with his parties, gil is a master of the trance dance, so whatever u believe concerning him being a saddhu, well it doesnt matter. he deserves respect for being a trance- master, digital shaman. |
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moki
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 05:49
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i said i am leaving the fucking thing colin. you dont have a fxxx clue what i am talking about and it is good so. if i learned something from this discussion , it is that i should never ever write anything on that at all and never post a video for the wider public because it is simply not for it. you are sure to know something so good that you have never seen. i am fed up with this discusssion and i rather prefer that you dont refer to me or my videos anymore and if i see one more isratrance user who is saying stop calling him a saddhu, let him know that even if i remain silent, what i think is go to gell. i can call whatever i want however i want i tried to write enough on this discussion but it is simply useless. you dont see any sense in the contradictions. and besides it does not interest me, you are repeating all and the same things, and theories theories theories. i am glad that the world outside is not just a theory.
and yes for fucks sake, i do remember what i said. parttimer is something different as doing it parttime. just word. the first has a kind of a negative sense. i dont give a Fxxx if jesus was a parttimer , or the pope or whatever. never wanted to compare him as such.
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Zman
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 07:22
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I think there is a fundamental difference in understanding here between two people and whole load of people just trying to egg this pointless debate on. Whether Gil is right in selling himself through spirituality or not i do not know. How spiritual is Gil? I don't know either. But the moment an individual begins to role play, it becomes a playground for the ego to manifest itself into something larger than life. All of a sudden people believe that Gil is the only one who can guide the dance floor into having such an experience and i don't believe this is the Truth.
Mr. Gil, just as every other human being deserves to be respected, and some will say even specially acknowledged for what he has given to this 'scene.' However, by no means do i encourage idolizing him, despite any level of spirituality or awareness. Every one after all, is in their own stage of mental development that is so unique to every one of us, that it is almost unfathomable and definitely impossible to encapsulate in a few words. I think it is definitely okay to question the image he has created for himself, and i definitely support Fria's approach in this thread. Increasing awareness is always welcome, and for once we all need to put a pause to our own preconditioned thoughts and look at what is FACT and what is a westernized, modern day deflection of something that many, in a emotionally sensitive and touchy land such as India, consider to be sacred.
Diverting slightly. I haven't yet experienced the "Trance Dance" experience orchestrated by Gil. However, i am quite certain i have felt those moments of bliss the 'believers' have experienced. To me, vibes are not created by the one man but the party as a whole. This includes the music, people, deco and everything in between. The combination of strong psychedelics and music is certainly one that can give an individual something close to what IMO MAYBE a spiritual experience. Even if its just for a short glimpse. I can not compare Gil to any other DJs but i will say i have had the privilege of being blown away by some of who i perceive to be, the shapers of today's psychedelic sound. Nonetheless, kudos to Gil for being however old he is, and roughing out the outdoors playing for countless hours. I don't see many people doing that despite many claims of their abilities.
As for the divine dozen, i frankly condemn it. For one, it is something which i personally don't have faith in. There have been times during which the music posted up there has been really sub standard IMO. It also creates a lot of unnecessary competition and i have a feeling it is those who stay most loyal, who are featured the most. Though there are some ridiculous things i have heard, i don't think a public forum is the right place to discuss matters such as these. On the contrary of this whole point, nobody is pressurizing anyone to visit his chart page and i can safely say any person with any taste for music will trust none besides their own.
At the end of it all, i respect Gil's dedication to music. Maybe he would have been a REAL saddhu if he had a similar dedication to meditation and spirituality. I personally enjoyed all of Gil's compilations and his most recent - Worldbridger was definitely amongst the best releases of 2007 IMO. But equating him to something that is so sacred and holy to some is definitely not something which one can expect to be taken lightly by many.
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moki
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 09:11
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"I haven't yet experienced the "Trance Dance" experience orchestrated by Gil."
aaa ok! another one that has not experienced even what the subject of the topic ist. ) but right on we all need to pause our preconditioned thoughts. of course this does not slightly touch the one who is saying it.
btw where the hell did you see idolizing. but dont answer me, it would be good to put an end at least to the already mentioned difference of understanding between two people. this is also another thing that i fxxx hate in isratrance. how every time when two people talk, then there is a dozen of others in a queue to support the one or another. i mean it doesnt matter who is right or not so much, so can you just go on without judging ????
is it idolizing to say he has a saddhu background and it is a fact. i dont think so.
and i have never ever heard him say i am a saddhu and a real traditional one and do all the real traditional things that the real traditional saddhus do. did you? what hell of image are you all talking about? so even if i am wrong after all research that i have had studying east philosophy for years, and empirical research there among the saddhus themselves, even if i am wrong, this is just my presumption and believe then. only mine then. i hope i have the right to express it without being blamed because of my believes that surely dont fit to the most people in any given subject. okey? thank you. i am glad that we had this discussion cause i am starting to believe even more that everything should ever stay underground.
he never said look at me i am saddhu. so it is not the image he created. i dont get the point what are you all trying to say.
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insane
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 09:47
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^ Point is .. keep ur opinions to urself .. dont make such statements in public.. if u hadnt mentioned the word sadhu .. all this pointless argument wud have not happened in the first place..
wat u know and wat u think.. we cant change , but better not to mention such things .. like u said - keep it underground or watever..
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NEMESIS - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2007
PATTERNS EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2009
SEANCE - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2011
PATTERNS II EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2013 |
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moki
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 12:44
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wrong. dont know what you mean with all this pointless argument, BUT i was not the first to mention the word saddhu in this discussion. it was mentioned by others, who claim a saddhu never flies by an airplane and never sleeps in a hotel. FACT: well mate, there are about 30000 naga babas in India, may be 50000, i guess that fria can tell best what the statistics and theories are. i am not interested in theories and definitions cause i have my own definitions of life. so from the 50000 there are quite a few who do fly. it is a fact. as simple as that. you are all talking about things that you just never saw. and i am sorry to be the one to tell you that.
so silent horror, i did not mention it first, i just started to clear out some mistakes. exactly as there are some heavy factual errors in the last page also but i just refuse to sort of quarrel any more here. i have stated why to me he is that. and there are facts that have been demolished like non existent in this discussion. as it has been stated that no foreigner can belong to the lineages, no, it is wrong. there are foreigners there. but whatever. i will keep it underground. cause it is where it belongs. the professors of trance are on the overground. they are the ones who have to be always right. i dont have to. dont give a fuck if i am right or not or if i am the only one here who states something that no one else gets.
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insane
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 13:15
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^ i dont know wat a nagababa is ,
Pointless argument for the fact that instead of discussin his Sets,music, foolishly attaching words which are not meant for him, and tryin to prove indian religion like we indians are really not aware wat is wat .. , who is right and who is wrong.
if u didnt mention the word Sadhu.. someone else did, my mistake then. - as i went back i read it , i guess its started from goapete discussions..
so its sadhu VS nagababa now, which i fail to understand who is wat ..
as i read..
Sadhu - No airplane - Ofcourse . obvious.
Naga baba - Airplane and 5 star hotel ..
Professors of trance ? Overground /underground? i really cant understand these terms.. the fact that ur using em , is really sad. Cant u just stick to music and people as they are rather than categorising them into Super power entities or normal humans ? Overground /underground pfff
call him a naga baba or anything else, but NOT a sadhu . thats it.
in any case. let the discussion end here.
baba is a term which is attached for many terms in india which i dont want to discuss. so im ok with it.
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NEMESIS - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2007
PATTERNS EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2009
SEANCE - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2011
PATTERNS II EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2013 |
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moki
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 13:56
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ok mate, i see you have a nice signature, it would be nice if you followed the message also outside of the theory. why not. it is the third time you say that i should not say this and that. stop saying, stop saying. come on. let me tell you for the third time now, that i will call him what i want, and since i state this with facts and background information (also if not understandable for anyone), i have the right to state whatever. so can you please let me say that or is it too much of asking from my side???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
i dont see the point why i should then be respectuful towards what you say if you even dont know what is the difference between a naga baba and a sadhu as terms. i mean, okey, then just dont judge so much around may be???????????????????????? you cant expect that if you ( i mean all you) write some total factual mistakes, anyone who reads here will just pass away and say whatever, do you????
and if you want to talk about the music only, then do it. and let me see a deeper thing behind, it is my right to do so. anyones right. i think that the truely preconditioned people on this thread are those who deny everything by means of logic and not by means of experience.
and how sad it is that i use the words overground and underground?? you want a hand paper to wash out your tears of sadness?.
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 13:57
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@Moki.Time.Wave.Zero : I think I understand very clearly what you are trying to say. I saw that video a couple of years back and I was the one who posted it on this forum, as I mentioned earlier. I didn't expect so much of bullshit talk would happen coz of that.
I dont think any of the people who have posted in this thread have ever been a part of kumbh mela... I myself have never experienced it myself. But my close relatives have. So, i do have an idea of the gathering and people who visit the place.
I truly love that video and keep up the good vibes. I dont care if Gil is comparable to a sadhu or not! The fact is, the amount of positive vibes he radiates is more than enough to keep the audience at their toes for the complete 24 hrs...
A DJ is not only about mixing and track selection... there's lot more to it.
I dont bother what anyone says about Gil, coz i know what he is. May be he doesn't know how to use Cubase or FL, but he sure knows how to take people into a trance..
PLUR.
Om Trayambakam Yajaamahe
Sugandhim Pushti - vardhanam|
Urva - rukamiva Bandhanan
Mrytor - muksheeya ma - amritaat|| |
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Zman
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 16:17
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Dear Moki Time Wave Zero, i see your feathers are being ruffled non stop and frankly i don't think anyones intentions are to do so. The thing is, everytime someone shares their opinion, you believe it is your personal obligation to defend the subject aka Goa Gil as if your defending yourself. I get the feeling you get a sense of worth through knowing him. You identify yourself with him. Your letting the ego get the better of you. Don't be paranoid, we are not attacking you (or him for that matter) This is not a conspiracy. I don't think i mentioned your name anywhere and i am certainly not as patient as Fria in explaining myself, who i think did a good job in exposing the Truth.
As i said, Gil needs to be respected for what he has done for the music. The rest is his personal life and none of yours/my business. The only reason people are talking about what a real saddhu is, because there was a mention of him being a real saddhu by someone in this thread. Which he is anything but.
I am sorry if i have offended you in anyway and made isra trance satan's workshop. That certainly was/is not my intention. I am out of this discussion until i get to listen to his set, which will happen soon enough. Have a good day
PS - Remember it is the Psykovskys, Derangos and Orestis' of the world giving us those magical experiences through music. Not the DJ  Slightly off topic but i should add... I am yet to hear anything close to masterpiece'ish from The Nommos frankly. Just IMO. Im sure many will disagree. |
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