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Braindrop
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 21:13
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On 2008-11-16 21:08, Colin OOOD wrote:
http://www.thaimegatube.com/video/7udF30fb2lM/DHARMA-Goa-Gil-11-11.html
"get off the stage, shoo shoo". If Gil was anything like the few sadhus I met during my short time in India he would have accepted the situation he was in, accepted that the dancer has a right to express themselves, smiled and got on with what he was doing, raising the energy of the dancefloor in the process.
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Perfect example!
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 21:21
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moki
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 21:58
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I hope we do belong to the same vision - a vision of equality, honesty and appreciation of each other for who we truly are.
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yes, vision of equality, it means that we are equally free beings on this earth but it does not mean that we have equally the same missions to fullfill on the earth. some have to be in the front rows. just because through very special backgrounds they have learned something that others dont know, or they have seen it first. like the fire of prometeus. so they deserve respect.
it does not mean they are perfect, and if they dont fullfill their mission or whatever the cosmic powers gave them, and stick into ego games, it is then their karma, it is not our thing to judge.
what i said was part time saddhu. never considered him as a full time saddhu because he simply is not. as fria said, saddhu cannot be someone who does not live as an asket, without possesions. but on the other side, if we talk about part time saddhu, other visions arise. like for instance, you can have this very special experience of renouncing the world for some time, for some months or years, and be very pure at the time while your spiritual journey was going on - be very strict with every kind of yoga possisions, sustained animation practises of samadhi state, and with all the rest of the basic human needs . and you know. you can be very pure with that for some time, and then slip back into the world. this is what i called part time saddhu. and then you can have this experience periodically or whatever he does. and i think even this is difficult to do. all this stuff that they go through....
and dont forget, any difinition that you find about saddhu, it explains you what a saddhu CAN. it does not tell you what he should. so to make a small comparison, you can read that a siddhi has special magical powers, for instance objects emerge out of his hands, that he created by means of visionary power, BUT it doesnt mean that this siddhi has to use his powers all the time, every minute. same with any saddhu definition. and whatever goa gil does in his life as a dj, this is not all....
i believe for me even the kumbha mela experience was the most difficult thing to survive, because it was incredible cold in the winter night, sleeping in totally shitty conditions , everyone, and then even the bath in the night...it went for some weeks like that, and even all those things there, i mean, this is really not any spiritual knind of trip for seeking pleasure and fullfillment in being spiritual. it is really hard to survive it all, even what you have to breathe there from the dust of 60 million people walking every day, you even loose your breath. it IS a hard thing. and i guess it is even the simplest and smallest thing to imagine,there are 1000 of other duties and survival difficulties that a saddhu has to experience before ever considered as such
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this DJ is the only truly spiritual DJ and plays only truly divine music
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who said that? i did not. he is neither the only one who can only play the truely divine music and btw there are quite a few others even in this forum who can. believe me;))
about the video. well, what is wrong with it. i dont see. i mean may be he just has another plan of how it should be. let him have his plan....
Quote: "The only bullshit here is the assumption that Gil is somehow different to the rest of us."
do you think so? so you do believe he is not different? i mean why should there be 23 topics with 235 posts inside about him if he was not special? and i dont see what is wrong with that. even the ego thing, i think it is getting exagerated nowadays, not only in this topic. i mean, everyone has, this is totally clear. if you know what i mean. without self confindence no one here would have succeeded in anything in this scene. i know that i may be dont exxpress it good enough but i mean, i dont even pay attention to ego games anymore. in this scene. people can simply easily be pissed off, face it.
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Fria Tantrumm
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I've stated clearly and simply "FACTS" about what a Sadhu IS...here I go again
The Sanskrit terms sadhu ("good man") and sadhvi ("good woman") refer to renouncers who have chosen to live a life apart from or on the edges of society in order to focus on their own spiritual practice.[1]
In Hinduism, sadhu is a common term for an ascetic or practitioner of yoga (yogi) who has given up pursuit of the first three Hindu goals of life: kama (enjoyment), artha (practical objectives) and even dharma (duty). The sadhu is solely dedicated to achieving moksha (liberation) through meditation and contemplation of God. Sadhus often wear ochre-colored clothing, symbolizing renunciation.
The ruggedness of the sadhu life deters many from following the sadhu path. Such practices as the obligatory early morning bath in the cold mountains require a detachment from common luxuries.
In a Nut Shell
Instructions
Difficulty: Challenging
Becoming a Sadhu
Step1
Renounce all worldly attachments. Sadhus leave their homes and families and renounce food, clothing and shelter. Sadhus often wear no clothing.
Step2
Attend your own funeral. It is symbolic of austere renunciation to die to yourself. The life of a sadhu is a life reborn from one's previous existence in the material world.
Step3
Follow a guru for years. Initiates serve a guru for many years, acting as the teacher's servant. Sadhus perform all of the teacher's tasks until it is determined that the initiate is prepared to wander alone.
Step4
Wander continuously, live of alms, renounce materiality and comfort, have a minimal of possessions, deny the SELF, Bathe at four o'clock in the morning. Bathing takes place in lakes, rivers or streams. After the bath, sadhus gather around a fire for daily prayers.
Step5
Serve as a human reminder of the Divine. Sadhus often act as healers in their villages and are knowledgeable in herbal lore.
Step6
Attend kumba mela, a festival that occurs every four years. It is like a sadhu convention. Sadhus perform marvels and odd reminders of their other-worldly existences.
Step7
Strive perpetually for spiritual enlightenment and liberation from rebirth. Meditation is the prime activity of a sadhu. They are highly regarded for their dedication to spiritual ideals and for their power to overcome karma.
(This is particularly directed at Dogon)
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gandharva
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 17:30
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On 2008-11-13 13:21, theendtone wrote:
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On 2008-11-13 12:24, frambonas wrote:
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On 2008-11-12 23:44, gandharva wrote:
yeah a saddhu that only accepts to be in 5 star hotels every time he is booked to play . i see a lot of dumb people here. the man just uses a filosophy to earn money just as simple as that. this is a bussiness like any other he is a professional dj that charges a lot of money every time that plays. a saddhu?? dont make laught please
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I totally agree with you.
He's a pain in the ass if you want him at your party, he needs a good hotel, the best food, and no other dj's can play.
Maybe he's afraid if some guy playes before him that can mix.
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+1
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yeah is terrible mixing crossover bpm´s. i like the music he plays but sometimes he´s terrible
. nowadays he is some king of a brand with an excellent marketing strategy with the "...redefining the dance the ritual..." or waterever something like that.
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moki
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 17:59
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Ok, the facts about a saddhu. The message might be particularly directed to Dogon, but since he has not answered yet, and since it is a public discussion , i will comment it too.( without any disrespect, i hope we made it clear that it is just a simple constructive discussion here 
First of all. Do we still make a difference between theory and praxis, between a written definition of something on the one side, and the objective facts on the other side? Lets not only stick in definitions, lets consider the real saddhus, those who go to the Kumbha Mela, who belong to their lineages . Lets not only talk about what is written as a definition, because even every saddhu will tell you that the most important thing of their beliefs is the oral spoken tradition which is transfered from a guru ti his disciple orally since 1000 of years and is the most ancient thing on Earth. And let me know if i am wrong! The older it is the more truth there is inside. So the oral tradition, the spoken word that you hear from a real saddhu with a lineage is the most important thing to be considered, not the writen definitions.
THEN lets have some more theory here. WHo are the naga babas.
"Naga Babas are a category of sadhus . Naga babas used to be extremely militant, fighting with rivaling sects . So they are also referred as the 'warrior ascetics.' (They are the warriors of God.)
Naga babas try to resemble Lord Shiva to symbolize his primal condition and non attachment to the world. Naga babas also appear naked. Babas rub their body with ashes from their holy fires as the symbol of death and rebirth. "
So let anyone say i am wrong to state that a naga baba CAN BE very aggressive if you dont respect them, and it does not come from his ego, but from his being as a naga baba. He protects the sacred. So for instance this video above does not mean anything at all. The naga babas shout much loudly if an intruder disturbs them.
Then the renouncing of the world, again the same thing , and it seems that the discussion is sticking in one place:). So it is according to you not possible to have this experience of renouncement just temporarily? For some years or months and again? This is what a want to know:) Because all the rest of the definition can be seriously applied to what Goa Gil does in his life. The death, the formal initiation and the death of the ego, every other point fits to what he does.
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Braindrop
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 19:14
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On 2008-11-17 17:59, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
the death of the ego, every other point fits to what he does.
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Hmmm.... how do u relate this point to him?
I would really like to know.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 19:17
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A part time Sadhu is just not going to go down with me very well. Sorry So Gil might implement certain aspects of asceticism temporarily, but then to call him a Sadhu is just not very apt. A sadhu is a continuous practice..and when one is not practicing, then one is not a Sadhu....Jesus Christ probably was not a part-timer, Sai Baba was not a part-timer, BKS Iyengar is not a part-timer, the pope isn't a part-timer....get the drift.
Renouncing the world "temporarily" just doesn't go hand in hand cause it is not renunciation then.
The oral tradition of Sadhus and saints should not be spoken to a lay man..so if you heard any of this talk, it probably was FAKE. Theory is just the written order or DHARMA of what should be translated into everyday practice...they usually go hand in hand. a doctor needs to learn alot of theory before he is able to put any of it into practice and treat people.
Yes Naga Baba's can be aggressive if you do not respect them, but there are not many Indians who would be disrespectfull to one, such situations rarely arise...maybe they were aggressive cause a bunch of not very well informed foreigners were not observing decorum. Yes it is a militant sect, and the aggression is aimed at the ego. They are militant towards the ego. It is their duty to fight against the ego. It is all symbolic...Kali holding severed heads and drinking blood doesn't mean she's some blood thirsty demoness..it's symbolic of how she brings death to the EGO..the EGO is symbolised by the severed head, and her drinking the blood symbolises complete control over the ego. SO please, I repeat, kindly be well informed before making sweeping statements...What usually meets the eyes an illusion. Angry aggressive naga baba's is an illusion and if one is a true seeker then they would endure the anger and aggression...Usually such displays of aggression are just a test to weed out the true seekers and those who are merely curious. These Sadhus make themselves seem un-approachable to keep away all the unnecessary distractions. Offcourse they shout if disturbed. So comparing Gil shooing away a guy with a naga baba who gets pissed is not the same thing
Gil puts on a show for the people, plays parties for the people and is usually surrounded by many people who he plays music for...naga baba's do not put on a show for people, they don't create situations for themselves where many peeps are chilling out, they prefer to live away from people and hence get pissed if disturbed by people.
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 20:11
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i guess the topic shud be changed to
"Sadhu - Part time or Full time.."
Ridiculous..
Moki.Time.Wave.Zero - ur theories will not prove that G.Gill is a sadhu or shows behaviour of a sadhu. period.
Can u please just stop tagging him with that word??
Only HUMAN! no parmaatma or Sadhu. just that he understands or delivers music to people in a better way .. i havent been to any of his "rituals" but know for a fact , looking at the videos.. its preety normal!!with all due respect to him ,since he is a senior and has been in this genre for a long time.
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Andreh
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 20:34
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On 2008-11-17 20:11, insane wrote:
Only HUMAN! no parmaatma or Sadhu. just that he understands or delivers music to people in a better way .. i havent been to any of his "rituals" but know for a fact , looking at the videos.. its preety normal!!with all due respect to him ,since he is a senior and has been in this genre for a long time.
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Thats my point of view also.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 20:44
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On 2008-11-17 17:59, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
Because all the rest of the definition can be seriously applied to what Goa Gil does in his life. The death, the formal initiation and the death of the ego, every other point fits to what he does.
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...apart from some of the really important bits about leaving his family, renouncing his home and renouncing materiality.
I mean, he's married, so has not renounced his family; he must have some kind of permanent means of contact to enable bookings and contact with Avatar Records, so that means either a permanent address or a phone or an email (all of which make no sense next to the word 'sadhu', at least to me); I assume also that he has a bank account so he can be paid, unless he is paid each time in cash; either way it points against renouncing materiality. He must also be the only sadhu with his own website!
I still fail to see how anyone can be married and have a global career as a DJ and producer selling records and DJing for profit, and still call themselves a wandering ascetic. This is not to say that he might not be very spiritually-minded, of course, but the definition of sadhu can surely not apply - the non-sequitur 'part-time sadhu' even more so! 
Yes, I believe that Gil is no different from any of us. He is a human being capable of imperfection and deception like we all are. There are many DJs who are technically better than he is, and his taste in music is just that - his taste - no matter what an apparently arrogant title such as 'the divine dozen' might imply; many people would disagree with his taste, and they'd be right to do so - for them. If there are more topics and posts about him (I'll have to accept your figure of 23 topics and 235 posts; I'm sure it's absolutely correct) it's because he has hit on a very effective marketing strategy; setting oneself up as a spiritual leader is a good way to distract people from the reality of what you're actually doing.
Damn, I wish I hadn't become so cynical. I wish I hadn't seen with my own eyes how people will dance to ANYTHING with a beat if they're on enough drugs or have been told enough times that the DJ or artist they're dancing to is good. We are so easy to manipulate... it's so easy to stop thinking for yourself and just accept what you're told.
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 21:03
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On 2008-11-17 20:44, Colin OOOD wrote:
people will dance to ANYTHING with a beat if they're on enough drugs or have been told enough times that the DJ or artist they're dancing to is good.
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That sums up parties goa gill plays
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 21:13
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 21:15
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mk47
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 21:15
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*yaay* there's finally some consensus building here .. he`s a cunt 
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