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The Punisher
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 12:54
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heavy duty topic.
part 1
remember goa gil is an american .. ,who makes it to india only when the weather is fine as nine.
Needs to be pampered more than maybe skazi with good hotel rooms and other stuff.
Real Sadhus dont need this.you will find 1000 maharaja's here ready to be your guru. we all know religion is the most profitable business in every age,Global meltdown recession doesnt hit religion. Goa gil mixed music and religion and it works for spiritual hungry teens and travellers. He is like an actor who taken on a good meaty role in a movie and reaping benefits of it.
the reason he sticks to play on dats, is not he is against cd culture or cdjs ,just he doesnt want to mix. for me more than a dj he is a human jukebox.
and as a jukebox. i can play hours and hours just to hit play.if he would keep mixing like pros dj i doubt he would last even 7 hrs.
imagine you are being offered thousands of dollars to just hit play track after track for music you have recorded .u would quit any goddamn job and be more than ready to play for long hours.
im speaking from experience.
(i mean ppl in india do more strenous real physical work for long hours for meagre sums).
THE ONLY RESPECT I HAVE FOR GOA GIL is that He stuck to it for years. (which is why bash cant be goa gil right now but if sticks to his job for another 40-50 yrs ,he will be as known and respected)
Goa gil still has a kid like energy to collect music . p.s which i also think he needs it coz he plays so long hours and needs constant upgrading to keep his business goin)
part 2.
tips to be on the holy divine dozen
1.keep sending goa gil music your own and as well as much u can get from others friends.
2.keep telling him what intense experience you had in party you had with him or the videos u watched.
3.dont cut him out when he is giving you some psycho babble gyan.
if u dont believe me ,check the ziks,cosmos,the gorumps ,enichkins repeated appearance on the charts.
some tracks hardly even qualify to be on your dj playlists.
u will never see derango,gow,aarhus,boys,ocelot ,penta on his divine dozen ( guess y ,maybe they dont have time to send him music and suck up to him)
check his past divine dozens..how they have evolved.
from gms,talamasca - we are having a party to enichkin n likes (any guesses y).
all i can say it is a Biased Divine Dozen.
GOA GIL - a Human paradox,
Practice what u preach.
we want free charity goa gil parties (donations proceeds shall go to cry foundation or teach-a-child schemes)
when i see this happening,,i will start listening to this psychobabble spiritual bullshit. |
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Trick
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 18:38
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wow thast a good point
i never even noticed it about the divine dozen
not one mention of any tracks or artists from parvati records or sanaton records or a bunch of other good labels...its all the same artists over and over with different combos of them
but then again maybe this is his personal taste of what is the cream music out now or maybe this is just the best music of what people have sent him
i am sure gil is not downloading or buying every single cd out now and sitting on slsk trading tracks with ppl or on msn asking artists for new music
from what i have heard, this is opinion not fact because i do not not gil personally nor do i know how he collects music, it is just given to him by the artists and thus he promotes the music he is given without ne extra work
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moki
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 20:51
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so people, i would kindly ask you to first consider the facts before posting in any goa gil discussion from now on.
two posts, and the two of them have a factual mistake.  dont wanna be impolite, and i strongly respect the opinions of everyone, BUT i dont respect false facts.
opinion number one:
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u will never see derango,gow,aarhus,boys,ocelot ,penta on his divine dozen
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you are sure you never saw penta on the divine dozen??? i mean, it is a just a click to check out what you say :
http://goagil.com/chart.html
opinion number two:
"not one mention of any tracks or artists from parvati records"
also been there in the past, just check it out:).
so honestly, if i read such factual mistakes, i am not sure if i can take anything from the rest of the post seriously. and not he surely does not sit in front of slsk or whatever ( this forum can be really funny sometimes, giving you a good portion of laugh in a cold evening:)))))) but he gets all the stuff sent, i guess, he gets even too much sent.
and btw i know how much people are pissed off that they did not make it to the divine dozen, and much more are pissed off that he doesnt want to share stages with them, so it is more than normal that he gets quite a lot of critic, but i am starting not to take it seriously any more. i hope the freaks who read here, dont take it either. just try the goa gil experience and then we could talk again. and please let the facts overcome in all this never ending discussion. would be better for anyone. cause no matter how great ego anyone can have, and how much we try to show how right we are, and how much we know, there are facts , my friends, facts that have more weight than any opinion.
p.s. and many of the people who say he is playing not what he should be, may be you are just not happy with the fact that he chose sort of to be on the side of the night psychedelic trance and not on the cheese side:))))?
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Trick
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 22:51
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dude
post 2004/5 nothing from parvati recrods or penta
i just checked myself...penta ok whatever but
im pretty sure ther were alot of cds made by parvati after that time with killa psy musik
moreover i even said wat i was saying was an opinion
and maybe gil just finds other music better which is posible
lady since you are such a strong advocate for gil
you might as well be his pr agent
it doenst seem like you have the facts straight
i read you article on the kumbh mela
seems very intersteding but basicall just lots of opinions of your experience ther and not alot of concrete facts
and i like the night side of pyschdelic trance i hate the cheeze side i dunno thers no point arguing this
goa gil is your god we all understand
all hail to goa gil
ps i guess until you get gil to post on this forum and tell everyone how he is a sadhu while still accepting materialism and how he picks and gets the music for the divine dozen which promotes competition rather than uniting tribes under one cosmic spirit i believe all we have is your opinion as well
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moki
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 23:14
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)))))
i am not an advocate of goa gil, i just had enough of this discussions because i think what he does is anyway much nicer ( okey for me personally, but also for many others) than what 99 percent of the trance scene nowadays does.
and no i dont want to get him post here )))) but btw it would be pity if he even reads here because it is a lot of shit what has been written about him during the years, and i dont want to even show you what has been written in other languages and other forums during the years.
and what i find most pity, is that it all comes from a very very few people who had negative experience with him or they got their ego hurted, and there the gossip started. the rest are just repeating.
and no i am not gonna be any pr agent, i am very strict at keeping it pure and even if you ever see this movie with him sold, it will be done by others, and not by me. i am even not that interested in this all trance scene commercial shit, and even sometimes as i open isratrance i feel like i am fallen into a big promotion pool where everyone wants to sell himself and promote promote promote. i am lost in 1000 of labels and prmotion threads. i guess they are all very busy with promoting and commercializing it themselves so that they can not check the real pure things going on in this scene anymore, but who am i to judge you:). keep going.
about the kumbha mela experience, what kind of fact do you want more from my story, the most important thing is that i am not saying he is a saddhu just like that just because i wanna make a big story out of him. i am saying it because i ve seen it. but this has been discussed in the previous pages:)
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Trick
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 23:25
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well if u had read what i wrote on my previous posts
i said i agree with you
99% of trance parties have gone to shit
ther is no vibe or spirit left
then i watched ur video and i agreed
i hope gil still keeps the spirit alive bc mostly is dead
i even went to a gil party arrived to late and left to early to judge the full expierence so he has never hurt me ego or nething
i just disagreed with the sadhu and agreed with the competition that the divine dozen breeds
i hope that gil parties are truly sacred and if they are full power to him bc last few parties i have been to were pretty shitty even with some good artists no vibe or spirit
so i dunno want to argue
boom
i hope gil is keeping the spirit alive! at least someone is then
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moki
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 03:34
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yeah i hope too. but to be honest lets not forget that he is a relatively rare thing to hear and experience( for me personally not more than 1-2 times per year), so i really hope there is not only one bringer of light in the trance scene. for the rest of the time in the year.
and yes i am sure you did not get your ego hurt but others did. and as far as i noticed , i did not see anyone of those that i mean here writing in the discussion. they have gone long time ago to better places than internet forums. also very beautiful people in this culture....but that is what i am trying to do for some time now here in this thread- just clear out some contradictions that arise.
and btw i give credit to what you wrote with some ot the artsits above, sure they have deserved a place in the divine dozen...but it is a just a taste and btw i find goa gil's taste incredible. full journey, intensive stuff....
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mk47
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 06:38
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Ok then , let me draw what I think is an interesting parallel and try put an end to this ..
GoaGil is as much a sadhu as 50 cent is a gangster .. in the present day , both these gentlemen , profit greatly from their very colorful pasts , 50cent used to , in the past , deal coke , be in a gang and got shot/went to jail etc , now take our man Gil here , came to India in the early 70`s with the original hippies , then got involved deeply with Hinduism , yoga and the path of spirituality etc and led the sadhu life
Present day , both these gentlemen are successful musicians in their respective fields and yeah , maybe they both got more `street cred` as `sadhhu` and `gangster` than your average punter who listens to their tunes all the time (owing to their past) , but that , me brodas .. dont make either of them a real sadhu or a real gangster .
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 09:15
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lol well said maan
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moki
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 10:28
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sure.
i guess i have spent too much in the internet for the last few days:). for that time i wrote more posts on isratrance than i did in several years hehehe. so i just pack the nommos in the player and go to enjoy the sun over berlin in the winter which is a rare thing. and btw did you know that every time when goa gils comes here since years, it is raining all day long the days before and after the festival but it is shining when he plays. i mean seriously, not joking. this i call siddhi, magical powers. and he does many other things that i call siddhi. i mean, come on , even if you forget the whole background, which would be unserious to forget but anyway, even if you do, he does simply amazing things as a dj and especially a dj at this age. this is what i call siddhi. very special powers over natural reality. and whoever thinks it is fake, does not have a clue. this is my opinion. and no matter who says what here, i leave it for myself by that and leave the discussion for now ( till i read a total nonsens or disrespect again which i cannot simply leave like that, cause is is a matter of truth)
had really enough of this unserious discussion here:)))) boom
p.s. cannot wait for the next goa gil experience, this summer i did not have one like for the first time since years i had no goa gil experience cause i was very high in the mountains for months . but as i see the dozen his taste is as perfect as always, i mean seriously, for his rite de passage, it is just as intensive as it should be. hope to hear him soon
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Dogon
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 12:33
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I have had my share of experiences with Sadhus from all over the world & still i do meet a lot of Sadhus.
There are many different types of Sadhus.
If you ever visit Mahakumbh you would see the glory that these Sadhus carry upon their being.
They are referred as MAHARAJ which means KING, though they live their life in absolute basic conditions but they have this Maharaj attitude down their spine & love the luxuries as & when they get a chance.
So IMO Goa Gil is a sadhu as he has completed formal 'shiksha' to become a Sadhu.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 13:47
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On 2008-11-16 10:28, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
and btw did you know that every time when goa gils comes here since years, it is raining all day long the days before and after the festival but it is shining when he plays. i mean seriously, not joking. this i call siddhi, magical powers
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Too bad his magical powers are useless when it comes to beat mixing two tunes together. 
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 15:46
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moki
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 20:09
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no i am not. advocate is someone who gets material credits for what he does. and i dont. i am not anyone who is distributing gils' cds, not anyone who is selling them, not anyone who organises events with him. i am just a simple freak who reads here. and i guess the reason that i am one of the few who wrrite here to protect what he does, is that most of the others here fear to stand up and to say enough with this bullshit on isratrance about gil, because they dont wanna have all those isratrances shitting on them, like here. because they are dependent on their customers who buy the cds or review them or book them for events or whatever they do. and i have nothing to fear and nothing to lose. because i am free to say whatever i believe.
i believe some of the people here, in this and in previous discussion about gil, think that i am one of those who runs after the big stars, but they are so completely wrong . i run away from them even. dont like the star thing at all. hate it. i am just a simple freak who wants to have mystical experiences and wants to believe in the very few good things happening in this culture. cause they are not many any more. so i am just an advocate of the true trance ritual spirit, not an advocate of anyone, any person. but i just had really enough of false facts about goa gil. i mean, surely there are slo others who are reading here, who just read and surely think " shut up with the bullshit finally" but as i said they keep silent. never forget that promotion is everything....i really have enough of this , i mean, look at the world outside, everything is collapsing, the whole system is collapsing, and people just sit here since years and shout at each other and separate and critisise without stop. what do you critisise so much, we belong to the same vision. lets be aware finally.
Respect DOGON for what you wrote. finally a fact. right fact. formal "education" to get a saddhu. it makes a difference. not everyone can be that.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 21:08
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To 'advocate' something is to speak up for or defend it, which is what you have been doing. Money or 'material credits' are irrelevant; you speak up for Gil, therefore you are an advocate for him. For all that you say you hate the 'star thing', you have put Gil on a huge huge pedestal, raising him above the status of a normal human being. This is not good for you (for we are all equal), for him (the last thing any DJ needs is to have his ego inflated even more), or for psytrance in general (too many artists/DJs gaining status through marketing rather than talent).
Promotion is not everything. If it was, I would be just like most other artists and producers and let other people say nice things about me and maybe pop up every few months to say thanks and give people a link to my latest project. But for me it is more important to express my truth and - in the traditions of my family - to work against injustice where I feel I can make a difference. In this I realise I sometimes do my own career no favours, as I have been a vocal advocate of openness in aspects of the scene where vested interests work to keep trancers in the dark about the truth of what goes on, but I will make music whether or not I'm part of any 'scene' so 'losing' what I don't even 'have' holds no fear for me.
It is a sad fact about the human species that it is very easy to manipulate people into believing things. In music production we trick ourselves into hearing things that aren't there; in advertising we are told that using a certain product will make us more beautiful; in music we are told that a certain act is playing live. Repetition is a very powerful persuasive force and works just as well when people hear the message "this DJ is the only truly spiritual DJ and plays only truly divine music" over and over again, as it does when people hear the message "Vote for this politician, he has your best interests at heart".
So I will repeat what I said in my previous post on this subject: I cannot see how Gil can be considered a Sadhu by any of the definitions I can find. He may be a spiritually-minded person but he is as ego-driven as any DJ (yes, including me). Training in a subject does not define one from that point onwards; I did a computer science degree but I'm not a computer scientist.
http://www.thaimegatube.com/video/7udF30fb2lM/DHARMA-Goa-Gil-11-11.html
"get off the stage, shoo shoo". If Gil was anything like the few sadhus I met during my short time in India he would have accepted the situation he was in, accepted that the dancer has a right to express themselves, smiled and got on with what he was doing, raising the energy of the dancefloor in the process. I have had conversations with people to whom Gil has been very rude when denied access to their unreleased tracks; the sense that he feels he is 'entitled' to special treatment runs counter to everything I know about spiritual development. The only bullshit here is the assumption that Gil is somehow different to the rest of us.
I hope we do belong to the same vision - a vision of equality, honesty and appreciation of each other for who we truly are. Like you I see none of this in the 'star thing'; unlike you I try and include absolutely everyone in that.
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