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moki
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 14:51
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some more? i mean, you could write the couple of hundred of posts at once , then we just jump to the next one;)))))))))))))). calm down man, we were trying to have an intelligent discussion here.  )))))
and i would suggest you start reading it from here http://forum.isratrance.com/why-goa-gil/page3/ and then dont let us repeat everything that has been said already:)).
what we are in real life? well, not religious anyway. we have studies to follow at universities, we have jobs to do for the system and we have parties and visuals to do in trance . so i would suggest you let the word uneployment dole, cause then you cannnot state the dole of WHOM so it is just another ridicoulous post. and it is pity that fria takes personally posts directed to people like you, cause the difference between you and her is a whole universe.
to the rest of the things i dont have anything to add. it has already been said. and if someone wants to protect Juna Akara and what has always been sacred, then i respect that very much. i just dont believe it is possible to stop this degradation cause it is the dark ages now, it is kali yuga...As a matter of fact the only person that i ever met in life and that i could call a real foreigner sadhu, is a woman, a sadvi. She is called Yamuna Giri and really lives after all definitions, would never ever have a mobile and rides all way long from country to country and up to India on her bike. keeps very special diet and does all needed spiritual practise. i think i know no other one, that comes from abroad and has been a baba and is a real one.
But you see, you cant just say dont call Rampuri or whoever like that. Cause it is the way it is in Juna Akhara. Then you just go and ask your holy men why they did it, but please dont blame me for calling them like that.
p.s. QUote:"And im older than u are , and so is my culture"
Dont be so sure about it. As i mentioned, you most of you dont een know anything about our culture. Our mysteries of Eleusis, and even before that Orpheus and the begginning of the frequence. It is old too, you are just not interested, at least we are interested in yours and trying to make a bridge.... |
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 15:10
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What's really offensive is that a very small pocket of people are totally defending something that is not true...and in doing so these small pocket of people are getting pretty offensive, personal, quoting the rest of us, running us down....when in actuality many of us are not concerned with who MOki is or who Oh Really is and what they say or where they come from...I think all we are saying is that "GIL" is not a sadhu and you can shoot as many photos you like and come up with as many new age allegories as you want but it doesn't convince many of us otherwise.
As for which community I belong to You don't know me dear and what you say actually is wrong, lets say I have mixed parents, so I belong to 2 communities actually. I understand if you'll are in awe of Gil and truly believe in him and his holiness, I think many of us are just saying that "We do not."
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a3k
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 15:14
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to no one in specific:
i really expect that the thread doesn´t turn into an offensive type one.
please mind your words and keep on discussing your ideas in a polite way.
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aXis
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 15:34
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On 2008-11-23 14:51, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
some more? i mean, you could write the couple of hundred of posts at once , then we just jump to the next one;)))))))))))))). calm down man, we were trying to have an intelligent discussion here. )))))
and i would suggest you start reading it from here http://forum.isratrance.com/why-goa-gil/page3/ and then dont let us repeat everything that has been said already:)).
what we are in real life? well, not religious anyway. we have studies to follow at universities, we have jobs to do for the system and we have parties and visuals to do in trance . so i would suggest you let the word uneployment dole, cause then you cannnot state the dole of WHOM so it is just another ridicoulous post. and it is pity that fria takes personally posts directed to people like you, cause the difference between you and her is a whole universe.
to the rest of the things i dont have anything to add. it has already been said. and if someone wants to protect Juna Akara and what has always been sacred, then i respect that very much. i just dont believe it is possible to stop this degradation cause it is the dark ages now, it is kali yuga...As a matter of fact the only person that i ever met in life and that i could call a real foreigner sadhu, is a woman, a sadvi. She is called Yamuna Giri and really lives after all definitions, would never ever have a mobile and rides all way long from country to country and up to India on her bike. keeps very special diet and does all needed spiritual practise. i think i know no other one, that comes from abroad and has been a baba and is a real one.
But you see, you cant just say dont call Rampuri or whoever like that. Cause it is the way it is in Juna Akhara. Then you just go and ask your holy men why they did it, but please dont blame me for calling them like that.
p.s. QUote:"And im older than u are , and so is my culture"
Dont be so sure about it. As i mentioned, you most of you dont een know anything about our culture. Our mysteries of Eleusis, and even before that Orpheus and the begginning of the frequence. It is old too, you are just not interested, at least we are interested in yours and trying to make a bridge....
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talking about urself and using we is a pschological problem of some1 who doesnt have a job and TRIES to associate themselves to other more successful roles in a social ladder. Amen. |
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moki
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 15:44
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i unfortunately did not understand what you mean but okey.
i meant i am not a fanatic religious follower and many of the people who called Goa Gil a sadhu here in Europe, are not spiritual followers either. They have been to Kumbha mela, or just to Goa, which is always two totally different worlds, but anyway they know a bit or two about India, but are not religious followers. I am not either.
Dont get the point in your ridiculous posts either. Goa Gil has some music that has been robbed. SO what????? I mean we were talking all the time here about the fact that he is in two words at the same time. Thats why he is so special. YOu dont get a single point do you?
to mk47. i am sorry that i did not answer your question the first time. the thing about the four stages of life is that you can see A SADDHU as someone who is in process of becoming such. WHich means: many ot the Indian sadhus are not perfect either. They are learning still.
Fria: i understood that he is not holy for you and the rest. I mean, i already got it. We dont have to repeat. It is clear. And Baba Rampuri is not holy for you too. I dont know what to tell you other than then go and ask your holy men why they took them in the Juna Akhara. And still as far as i know in India exactly people like those from Juna Akhara have the word to say what the most sacred things are. Or no????????? ANother new definition may be ))))))))? I mean, doesnt it mean that you dont respect Juna Akhara too if you dont respect their initiants? DOnt know what to say, it is really such a contradictory discussion.
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Braindrop
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 16:44
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@ Moki. The fact is that, REAL sadhus, today, are quite hard to find. Most of em stay away to their confined places trying to reach their goals, some others open their wings a bit. And i have to tell u that at present day, i'd have to say... 60-75 % of sadhus u find are Fake!
As i mentioned earlier... Each to his own. IF u believe so, so be it. But the discussions in here.. are getting personal and also attacking ones beliefs. About whos culture is older and not older, is very subjective topic to discuss and to point fingers at! So lets stop this right here and try to get back to the original topic!
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moki
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 16:56
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well i am not the one who said my culture is older. i just kindly remind that the indian culture is not the only one at the end of the day. and i am against any form of fundamentalism actually. if 60 70 of the sadhus are fake, which is an idea that i quite support, then it has to mean something. then you cannot just go and say " you foreigners commercialized everything and made fun of india". because the degradation would be the case, also if no foreigners would come. we are not responsible for the degradating of the hinduistic true religion. it is a destruction that you otice everywhere in the world, i dont even want to mention to you the degradating ot the christian churches and all the rest which would probably be an unimaginable blasphemy for the emotional hindu soul....
but the point is, we are all the time talking about a person that is a very special one , it is a dj that was a pioneer in this culture to which we all belong, even if we belong to different fragments of this culture. it is a person that has still a perfect taste for the music of 2008 better than people that are 40 years jounger than him. and honestly i think you are all exagerating here. no one ever said that he is a sadhu like all those others that no one ever sees in the moiuntains, he is just such a unique figure, i cannot even epress my respect enough. and to put a joke at the end: if someone like that would sit among the cardinals of the pope i would find it totally great too. if you get the point.
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Braindrop
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 17:15
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On 2008-11-23 16:56, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
it is a person that has still a perfect taste for the music of 2008 better than people that are 40 years jounger than him.
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Now this, i disagree my friend. However u may try to prove it! And im sure a lot wld feel the same way too. And secondly, nobody is perfect!
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moki
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 17:27
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yes. and that is why he is not perfect too so dont expect the impossible from anyone.
about music i am not gonna discuss which taste is best, cause i know will lose the battle on isratrance. may be even thats why he is being critisised so much here, i have to check some other forums too to make a comparison:))))))))
also at the end of the day the question is if we should stick to the oldest traditions of this earth, all different religions in their pur form or should we look outside of the definitions, beyond the border, beyond the traditions. cause we are losing the traditions anyway. i guess the europeans and the americans were the first to lose the traditions and now it is a process happening everywhere. is it better to hold to traditions and try keep them pure, while 80 percent of the nowadays sadhus are fake generally and only a few are real sadhus renouncing everything every posession and every form of fame. or is it may be better to sort of break the traditions. i guess the breaking of the rules and traditions is what europeans do mostly and i guess it is generally our approach. keeping to tradition is the hindi approach. but what happens if the traditions fail too??????? what do you do then??????????? sorry but i feel it is ridicoulous if i sit at a fire of a baba, and he tells me i should for instance not sit with my foot direction fire cause it is traditionally not allowed, and then the same baba is talking on the mobile on front of the fire. what is that. i find it is a ridiculous thing. and i say, well i will not follow the traditions then. so what to do? this is particularly directed to fria.
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aXis
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 20:44
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lol. Im out. |
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 20:51
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moki
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 23:30
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axis you have now the chance to critisise, now or never  ))))) i wanna hear any meaningful critic about this all. i am not here to advocate anyone or anything, i am just looking for the truth myself too. there are quite a few contradictions for me too in the whole thing.
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aXis
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Posted : Nov 24, 2008 03:44
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love u too moki ! |
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moki
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Posted : Nov 24, 2008 10:15
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we are finally establishing peace and shanti on this thread.)))) new week new beginning:). the new beginnings are the best thing in life, but unfortunately they are connected with the death of a previous "life form" or the death of an old approach. btw guys did i show you this video with baba rampuri, the other sadhu we were talking about in the thread, and a close friend of goa gil( that is made why he visited us in germany)? fria meant she should ask the head of juna akhara what he was thinking to initiate him, but may be it is good first of all to see the interview, there he explains really a lot about a the life of a sadhu in Juna Akhara. and this is one of the dearest friends of Goa Gil actually. i noticed that the video is not available online on the website, but anyway i am right now making a new website (another new beginning connected with previous destruction) and i will post it to you. i think you should see it if you are interested in the whole Goa Gil topic and being a sadhu.
peace and shanti back to the source where they are coming from and all good:)
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Posted : Nov 24, 2008 12:23
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Goa Gil is the father |
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