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Why don't they make digital downloads available for old stuff?
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octium
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Posted : Jan 8, 2010 20:21
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On 2010-01-08 07:53, sunwolf wrote:
This is your own problem to solve.
It's sad that you beg the artists to release their music for free or re-release just because you can't afford to buy the rarer CDs.
If I had an old rare CD released I would not even think about repressing or making it digital, even if it would make me more money.
"There's nothing as wasted as an object in a public window."
If it's not worth it for you to spend >$20 on one of the oldschool classics, then go listen to some other type of music or download shitty mp3s instead.
Artists who re-release their music are not faithful to their fans who collected the originals.
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Well the problem with that is there is no new revenue for the artists when you buy off ebay, if that's what you're concerned about.
I'm not saying I don't want to buy CD's I'm saying its stupid to charge over 50 usd for them on ebay. Yes I may be able to do this for maybe one album, but that's it, what if theres 10's of albums I want to get.
How exactly does re-releasing make them unfaithful to their fans |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 8, 2010 20:37
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When an artist re-releases or gives away an old school rarity the only people they are unfaithful to are the profiteering collectors.
Sunwolf might say the value of the music increases when less people hear it. I think the majority would stand in opposition to that: the value of music is enriched when it is a greater, shared experience.
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Outolintu
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Posted : Jan 8, 2010 21:28
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On 2010-01-08 20:37, Basilisk wrote:
When an artist re-releases or gives away an old school rarity the only people they are unfaithful to are the profiteering collectors.
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exactly!
sunwolf: we're talking about music here! not about some precious collectible items to be hidden in vaults for your eyes (or ears) only. the whole collector's greedy ego trip is a sad one anyways. i've been a collector too for a while but that's a black hole you're feeding.
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MorNinG MaGiC
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Posted : Jan 14, 2010 04:10
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Interesting!!!!!
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Kellimus
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Posted : Jan 14, 2010 20:09
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On 2010-01-08 01:52, Buddha Monkey wrote:
Rhino is a nice idea, but I'd rather pay $1.99US per track for a higher quality or even wav format so that I can use it in sets of burn to actual cd...
I was thinking it would be cool if a dedicated collective could come together and finance a 100% dedicated old school goa/psy mp3 shop, nothing else.
But I guess there is a big risk that it is not financially viable, although I persoanlly have spent a lot buying such files from the few labels that offer it.
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I'd rather just get the files and export them to .WAV if I was concerned about the quality of the tracks... 
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Posted : Jan 15, 2010 10:27
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On 2010-01-14 20:09, Kellimus wrote:
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On 2010-01-08 01:52, Buddha Monkey wrote:
Rhino is a nice idea, but I'd rather pay $1.99US per track for a higher quality or even wav format so that I can use it in sets of burn to actual cd...
I was thinking it would be cool if a dedicated collective could come together and finance a 100% dedicated old school goa/psy mp3 shop, nothing else.
But I guess there is a big risk that it is not financially viable, although I persoanlly have spent a lot buying such files from the few labels that offer it.
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I'd rather just get the files and export them to .WAV if I was concerned about the quality of the tracks...
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thats doesnt work, once encoded the info is lost for ever no way to bring back the quality
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 17:47
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Personally I can not understand why artists with releases that are not available as CD anymore and are not reprinted either do not put their music out to the web for free.
I really hope they have legal reasons or did just not have that idea already or don't have the means and don't know ektoplazm, otherwise I must think that they are really lame and I do not have much understanding for them sitting on that art.
On the other hand I find beatport really the big shit, since they are very restrictive with releases that do not sell or the don't believe to sell. The throw out releases all the time if they don't sell or do not accept submission if the don't believe in them. Instead of building a complete database of electronic music they somehow create an elite selection of it.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 18:08
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On 2010-01-19 17:47, subconsciousmind wrote:
Personally I can not understand why artists with releases that are not available as CD anymore and are not reprinted either do not put their music out to the web for free.
I really hope they have legal reasons or did just not have that idea already or don't have the means and don't know ektoplazm, otherwise I must think that they are really lame and I do not have much understanding for them sitting on that art.
On the other hand I find beatport really the big shit, since they are very restrictive with releases that do not sell or the don't believe to sell. The throw out releases all the time if they don't sell or do not accept submission if the don't believe in them. Instead of building a complete database of electronic music they somehow create an elite selection of it.
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Beatport is a business and a SHOP with a huge demand for storage and bandwidth. I also don't recall any shops ever storing products forever 
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Outolintu
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 21:40
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On 2010-01-19 17:47, subconsciousmind wrote:
Personally I can not understand why artists with releases that are not available as CD anymore and are not reprinted either do not put their music out to the web for free.
I really hope they have legal reasons or did just not have that idea already or don't have the means and don't know ektoplazm, otherwise I must think that they are really lame and I do not have much understanding for them sitting on that art.
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On 2010-01-07 12:14, Outolintu wrote:
the availability of tracks depends on the artist granting permission to hand out the track for free.
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...and sometimes it's the other way around:
the artist needs the permission from the label OR has to first armwrestle himself free from a ridiculous contract he has signed back in the "glorydays" :/
take my advice:
read carefully what you're signing anf think it through...
i really do hope that artists would start handing out oldies (out of print released stuff AND unreleased stuff as well) for free f.e. through ektoplazm or a new server dedicated to goa- and psy-trance.
but who would pay the bills? paypal donations might be enough...
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 21:46
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It's very very easy. Never sign a deal where the label has the copyright to your music more than max. 5 years. It's saved my butt from labels and all my music is now 100% mine.
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Outolintu
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 22:23
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On 2010-01-19 21:46, Beat Agency wrote:
It's very very easy. Never sign a deal where the label has the copyright to your music more than max. 5 years. It's saved my butt from labels and all my music is now 100% mine.
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no s#it! i know that now too but when i was younger i really didn't pay attention to what i was signing. it was just wonderful to release music and get a whee bit of money for it too... most labels today don't even dare to propose a longer or indefinite contract since they know it doesn't even benefit them with the minimal sales etc.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 20, 2010 01:09
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On 2010-01-19 18:08, Beat Agency wrote:
Beatport is a business and a SHOP with a huge demand for storage and bandwidth. I also don't recall any shops ever storing products forever
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Inventory costs are next to nothing in the digital realm. Bandwidth is already subsidized by purchases. The ONLY real reason Beatport doesn't host EVERYTHING is that a larger catalog dilutes sales for label partners and overwhelms the consumer. It is already way too much music for anyone to deal with!
Of course, the revolutionary solution would be to create a socially interactive web shop where users can make their own charts, share orders they've made, etc. Beatport is not really social at all and that's the problem. Even as a commercial service they could crowd-source the lion's share of music recommendation duties and effectively let their customer base sell to itself. But that's a bit too Web 2.0 for their model, I guess. Instead we have the same old dance music elites approach--top down instead of grass roots. And why not? It is good for Beatport, and that's what really counts to them.
Of course, it's a different story for the artists and labels and listeners... some profit while others are shunned for arbitrary reasons. But hey, that's fine. It creates an opportunity for innovation. Beatport, much like Facebook, is not the final application of its kind.
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