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Why does waves C4 .... ?
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natty
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Posted : Jan 24, 2005 03:23
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Hi all...
Why does waves C4 change the sound of a mix quite noticably when you have all the bands in bypass mode, and the gains are all at unity ?
if you switch the plugin on & off there is a sort of 'flattening' effect with it on, even though it shouldn't be doing anything ?
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Please anybody know ? ... haven't checked the linMB yet, maybe its a phasing problem that has been fixed in the linMB with its phase correction ? |
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 24, 2005 03:45
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natty
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Posted : Jan 24, 2005 03:57
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maybe its the r series saturation algorythm ?
but i thought this only kicked in if there is clipping ? |
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H2O
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Posted : Jan 24, 2005 06:03
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I think it has to do with automatic attack control which is build-in inside many waves plugins. |
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monno
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Posted : Jan 24, 2005 12:08
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well you could also take into account that almost no plugins are bit transparent even though your material seemingly runs unprocessed through them. this i feel is especially true when talking the "r" series from waves, however what you may define as an error i call character. if it was a hardware processor you wouldnīt really talk about it this way but would either love or hate it for itīs sound. bottom line is almost any plugin iīve encountered alters the sound slightly (with a few high end exceptions though) so itīs just something you have to work with i guess.
ps. i can wholeheartedly recommend using the "r" waves over the normal ones. not only do they sound slightly less harsh to my ears but behave, at least in my experience, more musically.
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Jan 24, 2005 13:01
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thats right.
each plugin has its own output so if you send a signal through a plug it will change (more or less)
by the "color" of the output even if you dont make changes in its parameters.
also in hardware, if you change your mixer, monitors, cables, amp.
all of those also will change your signal.
theres alot of plugins out there that not improve your sound but hurt it. choose your fx`s wisely!
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DJ Buju
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Posted : Jan 24, 2005 13:26
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On 2005-01-24 12:08, monno wrote:
well you could also take into account that almost no plugins are bit transparent even though your material seemingly runs unprocessed through them. this i feel is especially true when talking the "r" series from waves, however what you may define as an error i call character. if it was a hardware processor you wouldnīt really talk about it this way but would either love or hate it for itīs sound. bottom line is almost any plugin iīve encountered alters the sound slightly (with a few high end exceptions though) so itīs just something you have to work with i guess.
ps. i can wholeheartedly recommend using the "r" waves over the normal ones. not only do they sound slightly less harsh to my ears but behave, at least in my experience, more musically.
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This is very true.
Like puting your vocal through a Urei 1176 hardware and not even compressing @ all it will alter the sound it is the same with digital/plugins.
Ofcourse not the same to be exact but as you can imagine it is another thing your running your signal into.
it can make things sound much better.
try putting the L2/L3 on the master fader of your mix and even while bypassed it will make a difference.
To really be sure you avoiding these you should make the plugins inactive and not only bypassed.
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Hayez
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Posted : Jan 24, 2005 20:29
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On 2005-01-24 06:03, H2O wrote:
I think it has to do with automatic attack control which is build-in inside many waves plugins.
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but if the all the bande are in bypass, there shouldn't be any compression, so the attack control is bypassed too.
I think it's the crossover section that affects the sound. you can't bypass that and it's for sure not a transparent process.
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natty
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Posted : Jan 25, 2005 01:29
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@ hayes...
thats what i thought... maybe when it sums the bands back together, because it is not a linear phase version... there is phasing problems... or maybe just frequencies lost from the crossovers as u say ?
has anyone tried LinMB ?
when the bands are bypassed the only algorythms that are running still are the crossovers, and possibly the 'r' series saturation algorythm...
@ monno...
for sure with a valve unit there is 'character' added because of the valve circutry... and a digital hardware unit probably adds 'character' because of its a/d - d/a convertors (like an old akai sampler)... but neither of these things happen in a plugin ???
i haven't tried the ultramaximiser with no limiting to see whether there is a difference... but as tsabi said, rcomp does it (there is no crossovers in this) but c1 doesn't (no crossovers, no saturation algorythm) ... maybe it is the sat algorythm ? |
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 25, 2005 07:55
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Whats the problem with it?
Better, do u have a problem with this?
Just bypass it in ur sequencer if u don't want to use it.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Jan 26, 2005 03:41
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waves plugins (to my knowledge all of them) contain a mixer module in them.
Even at no settings the plugins will change your audio.
For example:
Try running the Waves X-Hum on remove dc setting. You can run it over and over and over again, and while of course there is no more dc, your sound keeps changing/gaining |
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