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Why does "progressive" have to mean "slow and soft"
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RK9
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 08:56:32
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There is such a thing as hard progressive music, but I feel like in psytrance when people call something "progressive" it tends to mean "137-142 bpm and minimal-sounding".
I want some HARD progressive, and not just techy stuff either.
Good examples of what I like in this respect:
Plasmotek - "Gargamelized" and "Bubble Boy"
Son Kite - "On Air" and "Game & Watch"
Basically I'm looking for tracks with progressive structure, that is to say
2-3 minutes of a long, regular buildup
then a climax in the middle
and then 2-3 minutes of winding down (which you layer over the next track building up)
but I want it to have the energy of "normal" fullon and darkpsy, and not be all wimpy and minimal
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Psynthex
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 11:07
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Hey,
You dont listen to progressive much am i right? There is bunch of so called "hard" progressive sounds. And it aint everything in speed and how hard does it get. If you think that way, than you are thinking wrong my friend. A good progressive with some nice bassline movement is also based at 130 till 133
And if you find Son Kite as "hard" progressive than you are out of so called "hard" range. Try to browse over Plusquam rec., Iono-music, Terratech studios... they do offer some quality stuff... but why to start shwoing names, when you are having a DJ MIX section where you can browse and DL
Enjoy,
P.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 16:19
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On 2009-02-14 08:56:32, RK9 wrote:
There is such a thing as hard progressive music, but I feel like in psytrance when people call something "progressive" it tends to mean "137-142 bpm and minimal-sounding".
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142 is slow only if you've necked about 7 pills and sniffed 1 gram of ket...all laid out on one massive line.
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 16:41
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"to elevate music to new levels of artistic credibility , push technical and compositional boundaries"
how did it conect to the 135 boring to death artists i have no idea. offcourse there is alot of great stuff too in 135 but its not progressive at all by definition. not by music normal defintions . u cant do the same dumb 3 chords of evry band and say its progressive , but it worked for them hehe good marketing.
its actualy the most conformist sub genre in trance. maybe 2nd after repetative cheesy fullon. this why most the real good artists moved to techno anywayz no.. where u can use even less sounds but in more 'free form' wayz..
btw p&s - and 142 bpm is not fast for sure. and no i dont do pills. never did. or maybe fast is personal taste ha. www.sattelbattle.com
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Psynthex
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 16:49
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On 2009-02-14 16:41, Elad wrote:
"to elevate music to new levels of artistic credibility , push technical and compositional boundaries"
how did it conect to the 135 boring to death artists i have no idea. offcourse there is alot of great stuff too. but its not progressive at all by definition.
its actualy the most conformist sub genre in trance. maybe 2nd after repetative cheesy fullon. this why the good artists moved to techno anywayz no..
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For sure 
Try to listen this / every second track is above 135bpm ( http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/ech/ech1cd007.html ) And if you find this cheesy and as you called "2nd after repetative cheesy fullon" .... may god have mercy on you 
Its very pure, groovin, floatin progressive compilation...and still many of them here. But this crossed my mind
Enjoy,
P.
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 16:54
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On 2009-02-14 16:49, Psynthex wrote:
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On 2009-02-14 16:41, Elad wrote:
maybe 2nd after repetative cheesy fullon. this why the good artists moved to techno anywayz no..
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For sure
Try to listen this / every second track is above 135bpm ( http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/ech/ech1cd007.html ) And if you find this cheesy and as you called "2nd after repetative cheesy fullon" .... may god have mercy on you
Its very pure, groovin, floatin progressive compilation...and still many of them here. But this crossed my mind
Enjoy,
P.
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ok maybe even fullon is less monotinic?
without listen i will tell u 95% of so called prog imo are very cheesy , repetative , and boring.
maybe this cd is diffrent. i like freq too so what. but its still not that "progressive" (as word that meen progress , its just more minimalistic not pushing any boundry at all)
and i heard more then 100 cds of that sub genre , its not new thing. been in many many parties too.
1 that is highlight wont change my mind on the hole genre.
i see most of the exeptions (for good) are on this cd like quantize perfect stanger loopus infabula and more. ill probably like it. the good names. thats about sum up my artist i like in prog. i heard the rest , not as good as those.
just like in dark style there is 90% of crap that fits shity isratrance general opinion on "just fast bass with noise" but there is also 10% of gold.
now for the listen. (will find it on saiko for longer preview even)
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Psynthex
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 16:58
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On 2009-02-14 16:54, Elad wrote:
without listen i will tell u 95% of so called prog imo are very cheesy , repetative , and boring. maybe this cd is diffrent. i like freq too so what. but its still not that progressive (as word that meen progress , its just more minimalistic not pushing any boundry at all)
now for the listen. (your link should be better then 45 sec of demo , will find it on saiko)
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Judging before you even try it out Now i do understand your post, where you are marking whats bad and whats good, whats not progressive and what it is Thank you for englighting me  appreciate it So i know now that its not even worth to discuss about it with you of course
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 17:06
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u didnt give me 10 minutes to listen . im on it. u think i try to genrelaize? no i dont. i heard those artists , i have their albums. quantize , perfect stranger , loopus.
as great they are to say its not repetative or monotonic is actualy to hear it diffrent then me. maybe its in the brain not in the ears.
u posted link to THE TOP BEST artitst. its not the hole genre , its the CREAM OF IT and i know it.
the cream of evry genre is great usualy. www.sattelbattle.com
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Psynthex
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 17:11
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On 2009-02-14 17:06, Elad wrote:
u didnt give me 10 minutes to listen . im on it. u think i try to genrelaize? no i dont. i heard those artists , u posten link to THE TOP BEST artitst. its not the hole genre , its the CREAM OF IT and i know it.
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If this is a cream than.. ok ok Its not worth it i am out
But before you judge AGAIN, try to listen to VA - TIMETABLE ( Find the one with more than 45sec demo )
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Psynthex
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 17:14
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On 2009-02-14 17:06, Elad wrote:
maybe its in the brain not in the ears.
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I am sure about it  Now we have find the reason why you´ve been acting that way 
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 17:26
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hahha u actualy arogant dont u think
even with all your smilies of cheering beer.
enjoy my latest project
http://www.myspace.com/sattellight
no closed mind here. i do it too , and hope its more close to freq then any artist that u posted. i like him better then all i heard last 30 minutes. but offcourse that like shasha in house , or boris brejcha in techno , "minimal" but actualy not at all , full of sounds and melodies , and imo they are 3 top artists in their genre www.sattelbattle.com
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Psynthex
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 17:32
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On 2009-02-14 17:26, Elad wrote:
hahha u actualy arogant dont u think
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Not at all Openminded actually I am not taking this as an offensive conversation. Its actually good that we are talking about this. Sharing opinions its a good thing, dont you think Thank you god that there are differente people on this planet You know how people are saying: 100 girls, 200 tits
btw: I will listen to your music for sure. Thank you for sharing
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Pavel
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 19:30
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shahar
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 20:26
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On 2009-02-14 08:56:32, RK9 wrote:
Basically I'm looking for tracks with progressive structure, that is to say
2-3 minutes of a long, regular buildup
then a climax in the middle
and then 2-3 minutes of winding down (which you layer over the next track building up)
but I want it to have the energy of "normal" fullon and darkpsy, and not be all wimpy and minimal
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For me parties and trance was always about looking for surprise or not knowing what to look for at all. About breaking structures and formulas.
Knowing exactly what you want to listen/dance to seems so boring to me....
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phasetech
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 21:19
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On 2009-02-14 17:26, Elad wrote:
hahha u actualy arogant dont u think
even with all your smilies of cheering beer.
enjoy my latest project
http://www.myspace.com/sattellight
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cool music!
what got me interested is the name cause i have track called satellight for two years now hehe
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