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Why do you like (or dislike) fast (160bpm+) "nuerotrance"
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psyman
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Posted : Jan 16, 2009 22:43
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On 2009-01-16 19:07, FaceHead wrote:
ya i heard a track that was 666bpmand the only thing close to psychedelic was the breakdowns the music itself sounded like someone forcing gears to jam
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Posted : Jan 16, 2009 23:10
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IMO, I go to psy parties to get a good dance on after a long week of work and to hang out with friends, not break through barriers and work out deep-seated issues that people seem so fond of mentioning hand-in-hand with heavier tunes.
Superhardfastheavy psy is inaccessible to the vast majority of people (even those who like psy). The dancefloor clears.
If I want to dance by myself I can just hang out at home. I like a variety of folks, familiar and new alike.
Bring it down in the morning unless it's an all heavy music party. Morning champagne goes well with a bit of melody, especially if the sun is out. |
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 00:07
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OMG!!! I've been praying we would make it this far without to many issues.Now that we are on page 8, I'd like to provide this warning : Be Careful how you got here. if your not fine tuned it is a long ways back to page 1. If you like it here and wish to chit chat with your friends then obviously there is nothing wrong with that, it makes you happy.
It's been so long in the waiting to drop this record :
Talking metaphorically with delusional ideas lets now talk Chakras with there perceptions and reflect back on the last 7 pages/levels as if they were representing each tone of alignment. Pages/Chakras 4 and 5 is where the derailment happened. We are now at the satellite that orbits our planet. Which may be consider the "Comfort Zone" and "Traditions." Chakra 4 is the heart that represents a sense of loving one another in this case. Chakra 5 is the throat with perceptions in hearing sounds/voices/music. A therapist could say we have issues at our Astral and Etheric templates. Which are stages of "God the Redeemer" and " God The Creator". Does anybody see what I'm getting at here or should i just shut... da funk up? In a quickening way of sorts.
If you'd like to talk "String Theories" that's perfectly fine as well, my rocket busters are at " Full Power" but not in a "Full On " kinda of way.
FattyAcid, i have no idea what your asking at all.. I feel that Gil and friends have something truly unique, which is rare these days and it seems to be working just fine. Even within yourself to question it in such a way. Its a good thing to be happy isn't it?
Where are you at in your serve? I'd like to hear it.
Another great serve question to ask is "Whats this 2012 shit all about?"
I'm just joking around with my perceptions, in a little old me way.
I learned something that's been in my face for a long time and never really got it til now. "NeuroTrance" or whatever one wishes to call it, just isn't only an idea in music but a way towards "Expandng You Mind", duh...
Keep It Goan in a GoaLove kinda way, so please enjoy the music while your party is reached...
Hey Chuck, can i get a copy of that "Forcing Gears" track? i love cutting edge music, please....
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adamzero
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 01:42
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You are absolutely right that of course many of the elements are pitch-based, and of course you are correct on how many of them are made. All I am pointing out is that pitch changes are not the primary means by which the music has "forward" motion. (We're at the borderline of acoustic physics and acoustic physiology, here, so terms are a little messy.) And of course you are absolutely right that some artists may be carefully using the complex harmonics of these sounds, and others are just twiddling knobs.
When I say that "dark" is synonymous with such psytrance, I mean this to be an empirical observation. When people don't "get" dark, when it sounds like "noise", this is, I think, the trouble they are having with it. As soon as you have pitch-based melodies, no matter what the 'mood' or palette of sounds, people will be uneasy about dubbing it 'dark' and you have people saying things like 'dark full-on' (Menog, for example, or a lot of the South African stuff). Your local usage may vary, but I've been trying to listen hard to how people use the words, when they are actually listening to music, and I'm pretty sure this is as close to a musicological definition of darkpsy as we're likely to find.
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On 2009-01-16 22:22, bastardsamadhi wrote:
this seems a bit odd, "dark" being WAY too specific an adjective to describe such a general set as "non-pitch-based"....
another important point on this topic would be that said "non-pitch-based" elements very often, in fact, *ARE* pitched! (unless they are completely *acyclic* / irregular -- essentially noise).
the elements i feel you are referring to in "non-melodic trance" are often a result of various FM synthesis techniques, essentially boiling down to "pitch multiplication."
sample manipulation of "found sounds," another common technique for manufacture of said "non-pitch-based" elements, is also very often based on sounds whose pitch(es) is/are defined, even if varying within the sample.
the question is:
is the artist aware of the harmonic relationships of said sounds -- or are they just randomly applying these varying pitches in their supposed "non-pitch-based" elements? 
analogy:
does the drummer tune his drumset?
does he make melodies?
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On 2009-01-16 21:52, adamzero wrote:
and i reserve dark for anything without a pitch-based melody.
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FattyAcid
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 02:48
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Kevin, as previously stated, this conversation was started as a conversation stimulant, and Gil used as a reference point so that people from Asheville, California, Oregon, and Arkansas could all reference one artist..I can't wait to have another melt-down with him, this time without having to share that focus with keeping a party on rails that are being melted and returned to the raw steel they once started as...
I love a good enema...don't get me wrong....
I love it when my little baby threads become full fledged encyclopedia's of subjective viewpoints
And to answer, my serve is only just getting started...
Hows about that time-shift anyway? I certainly agree that artists are referencing what I will call "the quickening", some by multiplying tempos, and others by communicating with as many ideas in one mid-tempo phrase as possible....and then there are both
4 Glitches make a four-on the floor
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FattyAcid
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 02:49
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100 posts...can I be a full fledged isratrancer now?
Wake walking through your sleep dream
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bastardsamadhi
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 03:18
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re: the thread, **epic lolz**, welcome to isra fatty! O_o
i hear ya, adamzero.... sometimes i think that more attention to harmonic (and dynamic, while we're at it) relationships would help make darkpsy even more delicious and evil in a musical way.... perhaps thats not as punk rock, though
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 03:25
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I went to this party to hear this Dj advertising he was going to provide a set that evolved all the tones of the chakras systems in a gradual build up from the 'Root" and up. As I was in route I began to wonder if he was going to pop me out of my " Crown" without the help of me dancing myself there. He played different types of music for each level like house for sexual Chakra and such. He dropped Psy at number Seven. i truly couldn't disagree however lots of other styles also can be heard at that level as well just as much as as Psy can hit the "Root".
I was totally upset because I was seeking what the "Eighth" and even "Ninth" tone would sound like without my "Imagination land" doing it for me. So there really shouldn't be a debate about "Dark" or Gil without logic or in a negative way by what I'm reading. Right? If your not in the "Spiritual Path" then what exactly gives you the right to use such a powerful word sarcastically as a way to elevate ones self. Will there ever be a probability in proof to actually break past this in order to get those tones by attempting to write them and actually Pioneering a new level in sound? If not, at some point I will never purchase music simply because I've heard it all and I rather go beat on my drum which has a hide from " Angels" skin so at least I'll get a new tone, maybe. Or should I just be happy with music not actually getting anywhere when I'm to old to dance? Or should I just try to evolve into a posture and turn my sadness into pure happy energy.
At some point I'd like to not always use my mind to break ground. I'm just looking into the future because I love what I'm hearing for now.
Innovation is what i seek in future music fast or slow because I'm past the tempo, hell i don't even hear it now..
I didn't feel attacked by you Jarryd and I have been keeping up with what you've said but you were the only "purveyor" to pick on for this subject so the USA could think more instead of bitch.
Oh yeah, i really don't like "Epic", it reminds me of little winy girls that can't get over themselves in a way to were it leads one to believe they have an empty soul..
Oh, well , i guess I'll just keep dancing
Now we are grounded... huh?...
Did i say I have no clue what I'm talking about because this straitjacket is taking my focus.. it's to white in color
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FattyAcid
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 08:09
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Sorry, Kevin, I may be having trouble reading through your lines, but if I offended you sorry man.... I have been personally transformed via the music you have chosen to include in your sets over the years, and I certainly agree that to REACH those higher levels is to push the boundaries of known levels...
Push the envelope watch it bend kinda shhhtuff eh?
I dig
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daya
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 08:38
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i have no problem with any speed of bpm, i could take from zero to whatever limit you call that. if i want to dance with 200 bpm , i just easily divide them to 100bpm etc for my body comfortable to dance with.
however i do have a problem listening to a PAIN, HURTS, AGGRESSION and such. i am not a fans of death garbage ever. i do however use to listen to black sabbath music, motorhead until an early sepultura and all those shit. done that been there. i was lucky that i wasn't understand those lyrics at that time. i have no problem about the dark music because 90% of the universe are dark matter anyway, but dark doesn't mean those what i capitalize above. and be careful of understanding word SPIRITUALITY. because exp, mass murdering and blood or energy sucking is a spiritual action for those who hail for that believe. so when someone admit them self as a spiritual person, think of relativity theory, from where they came from and who they are and what kind of mask they wear. they can reverse the meaning of everything to trick you include this word called LOVE. they are everywhere.
for my mind music is about whats make me feel comfortable. so violent minded will feel comfortable with violent music and the other way around. many dumb people just goes to whatever to be called cool. for my eyes music is a fashion and season and in someway as a mind stage.
So bring me any bpm you have as long as the idea is registered to my head, make sure it's not created while snorting a cokes or cracks and some kind, i'll eat them raw.
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Alakazam
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 09:10
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so true...
and dark energy as well...
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I also remember Matrix, Optical, Adam F, Dillinja, Andy C, Bad Company... Those were the days... |
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Or how about Black Sun Empire, or Dom and Roland...
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 10:50
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we have all experienced a huge diversity of emotions during psychedelic experiences from crying at the beauty to scared in a ball. We all choose subconsciously what we will learn from best there are alot of us that are a bit more in touch with our darker side either through past "life experiences" or current life situations... I know when i feel like my life is gettin to be a debilitating mess, i cant as effectively go free myself of that while listening to lighter music. We all need different things at different times some times i need to stomp my heals till they hurt and flail my arms then other times i need to sit peacefully with my eyes shut soaking up the beaty and recirculating it. Our world and species is a sick one we are full of cultural addictions that play well with our emotional ones. In order to truly break yourself from that and gain a true appreciation for just how beautiful that beauty is you have to go through a chaotic and uncomfortable cultural detox...thats why the truly strong experiences are not comfortable you are breaking free from your sick addictions and thus going through a forced withdrawal. That is scary that is confusing that is intense and will make you stretch and endure things you didnt know you could handle its not dark though unless you percieve it as such and in doing so are actually reflecting some form of darkness inside of you that you are affraid of confronting. when you come back home to your body you come back with the feeling of cleanliness like you just scrubbed out the old grease traps on a grill till they were shining again. Without shedding the layers its simply not possible to experince just how beautiful beauty really is when you are looking at it through filthy goggles. So this dark and intense music isnt there for people to impose their sinister scary mind control on you and turn you into a digital satan. Its there as an offering and a setting for those who need to break free to do so. This can be done to other styles of music as well it just seems this full spectrum thing is the way to go you start out the night slow with some trippy sparse sounds then pick it up a notch you know this is when your anticipation becomes apparent you have no idea whats in store but you cant wait to find out. then you start to feel what it is its ambigous and faint but vivdly real woah the music just kicked up a notch 30 minutes later you find yourself in a completely primal state moving your body in ways you cant explain re-connecting with your animalistic sides and feeling that survival instinct reconnecting you to all your primal instincts. you make it through. then twilight is the time to reground yourself you cant do that unless youve totally been ripped from your fleshy vessel. Then you gather your mental belongings and begin to understand what happend and is still happening. in the end you get rewarded with beautiful melodic energetic music that conveys no other emotion then celebration of everything that life encompasses.
or you could go sip your water till your favorite style comes on.
All im saying is you gotta do more than just show up to get your reward.
you gotta clean out behind the fridge occaisionally even if its uncomfortable to get back there and its a nasty mess when you do and you are wearing your shiny white suit without a stain on it.
also, you gotta go sit and appreciate the sunrise and baby animals sometimes... Even if your soul is black.
balance.
I know i know "wait but hes telling me that i have to like it" no. you dont have to relish in it just make an attempt to participate in and understand either side. dark folks nobody is gonna think you are a wimp for dancing to a melody and if they do then they need more work than you. Melody heads even though it may seem like hate and fear often if you look deeper you will see what lies beneath the surface and the only way to see that is by letting go. Shut your eyes if its uncomfortable. yes we all got to a point where it wasnt uncomfortable to dance around others but im finding it to be more common and personally difficult to let go around others. By letting go or participating in the true vibe of whats going on is not just serving you it conveys to everyone around you thats been feeling uncomfortable in their skin that "its ok we will do this together there is nothing to be affraid of" Thats how vibes are a contagious and powerful thing. a whole collection of some of the most unique individuals this place has to offer all simultaneously pulling themselves up while helping all the others around them up.
You ever wander what truly makes the dancefloor the single thing that matters more than anything is the vibe. the artist and organizers can give you a setting but its up to the crowd to create the vibe. the only way to do that is by participating. everytime you walk off of the dancefloor you are taking your energy away from the vibe be it because of your misperception of what the vibe is or because your foot hurts it doesnt matter you leave you energy goes with you. if you are still there but spending your time critically viewing the situations and searching for categories for all this information then you are unintentionally being a drain on the vibe. Dont forget its not just you out there so whatever you bring with you you are imposing on all those around you. I imagine the majority of us if asked that question would respond that we didnt want to affect anyones fun or impose any negativity on anyone else but you must understand that it is always affecting everyone in your contact or proximity. whether you intend it to or not.
In summerizenering id like to say again that yes this is a conversation of personal tastes but it seems more to me like its a conversation of convictions. We are capable of enjoying or at least accepting and benefitting from anything. To close off any part of the map as unexplorable is to lock away a whole collassal amount of personal possibility and throw away the key. If you were born and raised in comfortville wouldnt you want to know what lies on the other side of that wall? this goes for both sides you cant truly experience all of what life has to offer without participating in any and all aspects of it good and bad. oh wait they dont exist we are the creators of good and bad we were taught how to categorize things into those main categories by our parents or teachers or other inspirational figures through out lives.
These kind of experinces werent made to be our own little trippy cartoon funland every single time. Occaisionally we need to get slapped around a bit to realize that for some time we had been living in society and acting as if we were people instead of creatures.
Let go of your floaties and just drown in existence and revel in the amazing fact that you are fortunate enough to be present to play a part in a mistery greater than any known thing can come even remotely close to understanding. then compare that thought to "whats better techy fullon psycore or proggy minimal darkpsy." Its effffing silly people.
"I cant listen to music without a melody"
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i have decided to not give any music without a melody a chance and if it has a chance well its just gonna have to work alot harder for my approval. Also im affraid itll make me crazy or evil.
"i just cant listen to any of that cheese happy crap"
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I have chosen not to listen to anything of a pleasant or happy nature because im terrified of being vulnerable.
just living will always be infinately more important than how weve decided to live.
p.s. i guess i wasnt done yet
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Positive Reaction
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 11:14
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Facehead you are my hero. That was the funniest and also EXACTLY the way I feel on the dancefloor. Why should we waste our times trying to figure things out and put them in categories? Feel the moment and seize it for yourself! You made me laugh many times thanks bro hahaha! -Michael
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kriz
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 11:53
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thegooddale
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 19:33
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On 2009-01-17 10:50, FaceHead wrote:
"i just cant listen to any of that cheese happy crap"
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I have chosen not to listen to anything of a pleasant or happy nature because im terrified of being vulnerable.
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haha... I doubt that is going through any of our heads, consciously or subconsciously... I mean, lets be realistic... Some people just think that most of the psytrance that is made that is in that spectrum is really bad... I am one of them. There is a ton of music I like out there that is not computer programming, I only really like to listen to a few kinds of computer programming music. The dark evil funny satanic kind... It makes me laugh. And the super trippy, sinister kind... It makes me laugh... All the rest bore me alot or force me to argue with my friend that "not all of it is this bad..." |
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