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Why do you like (or dislike) fast (160bpm+) "nuerotrance"
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ASom
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 04:45
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On 2009-01-15 03:22, psyman wrote:
But my opinion is that Psytrance has to be about making people happy, uplifted, comfortable, and enjoyable. If they make music which is 200 BPM and it doesnt make people happy and enjoy, instead it makes them be scared, uncomfortable, not wanting to dance, and not pleasant-then it should not be played.
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You have good ideas but I think this view is too simplistic. At times the music should challenge us and not provide a constant comfort blanket, which is taken care of by your friends and welcoming strangers. If it were all pleasant it would be quite boring. I think that's something Gil has taught me, as well as Dave if anyone remembers Lunar Sun. Overall, however, everyone should drive away from a party with positive memories. This balance between the light and the dark (all within the "dark trance" framework), is the delicate part of the DJs' and lineup organizers' work. The BPM should not matter if the balance is set up perfectly.
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Psytrance is not murder or death it is life and the celebration of it.
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thegooddale
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 04:54
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On 2009-01-15 03:22, psyman wrote:
Psytrance is not murder or death it is life and the celebration of it.
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Psytrance is a style of electronic music, the rest seems to be pretty open to interpretation. |
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yea, I guess I should clarify while I'm at it.. I dont think of it as cheese because its cheesy persay, I just notice more shit eating grins and people cheesing for snapshots at 8 in the morning than any other time of the party.
I do think that something more melodic is definately part of the progression, if you end the party with mental darkness, you leave the kids going home with mental darkness, but if you bring them out of that, and show them the beauty that comes with a great progression of styles into a nice comedown, well thats just how you do it right in my opinion.
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psyman
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 07:51
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On 2009-01-15 03:22, psyman wrote:
Psytrance is not murder or death it is life and the celebration of it.
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Psytrance is a style of electronic music, the rest seems to be pretty open to interpretation.
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No it is not just a style of music not for me at least and probably not for the majority of people that listen to it.
For some it is a way to express Yourself for others it is a way of enjoying them selfs it is a way of life of sorts. You learn to accept other more and share Your emotions more and feel more unified ETC (not gonna go there but You get the point)
You just cannot say that Psytrance is another style of Music like House, Pop, Rap or whatnot. People have build communities, chased festivals around the world, and learned to understand each other better throw this music. Also Psytrance is, as quoted by one of its inventors mentioned here Goa Gil "Redefining the Ancient Tribal Ritual for the 21st Century". Go and ask and You will learn that people feel that way.
The purpose of psytrance was NOT to be just another electronic music.
I think after one understands that he can start to be open to any interpretation.
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paradigm
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 09:59
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said it before and ill say it again
The harder faster darker craze in psy trance exactly mimcks what went on with hardcore back in the mid 90's. Hardcore was a single genre,and as this point in the evolution of EDM, really the only "hard stuff to be found" Otherwise it was pure techno, or variants of house. The Dutch decided they could make it harder faster etc etc,.
Enter Gabber.
That got to be too much for the majority of people into the overall genre, so the pendulum swung back the other way, and the Brits and Scotts came up with Happy Hard Core.
No paralell this with psy. Several years ago, the harder, faster, darker craze began and it was the hot thing. Full on was very much a secondary genre, and most shows for a good 2/3 years caterd to the harder sounds. Finally artists like Cosmo who pushed it too far, drove people away from it, and along with those who were never very into, the pendulum swung the other way....
Now is ask you, today on a global scale, what the most happening incarnation of psy?
Progressive, the oposite end of the scale of neuro. hard, night... what ever you want to call it...
and......
Neuro to most of us i think is higher bpm trance, with a stacatto machine gun style bassline, and maximilistic approach to sound scapes and layering.
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 11:15
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to be honest this word "neurotrance" confuses me, what artists are you all referring to as neurotrance? Is Furious neurotrance? I really dont here this term neurotrance to often.
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konflux
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 12:06
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Abhi, the term is being introduced as we speak. 
I did not hear that term much either, actually, but for the lack of a better word I reckon "neurotrance" would do. This reminds of one of the later incarnations of d'n'b — "neurofunk".
P.S. By the way, what in hell has happened to "trauma-trance", y'all?
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BrainLizzard
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You can find he term "Neurotance" on some early Russian CD's say like around 2002 maybe. Under that word it will say " Expanding Your Mind " if your seeking a proof in history that is..... To me 1996 was the actual introduction of neuro to the Goa movement. Other than that it goes several decades back as an understanding in... huh?.. Whats Trauma? I have never gotten an answer from some who knows about that
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 13:30
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On 2009-01-15 00:53, e11even wrote:
People screaming and all those stupid samples they use doesn't promote the psychedelic experience.
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I've met several of the Artist mentioned within this threat and are now my friend's who happen to not have a dark bone in their body so please stop being so negative towards other human being's by calling them Dark. I can't speak for the ones i don't know and I'm not seeing anything that follows the Goa spirit at all.
Getting scared could also be viewed as facing your fear which is a step in spiritual grow. Try the word "RapeTrance".. to me has nothing to do about sexual offending but clearing the mind of evil energy that movies can put there. Chainsaws are indeed at most a pain in my ass however when I hear one I think about being at home chopping wood. I have a Husky and a Skil, which both purr differently and can handle different work loads in different sounds when you heat with wood. SCREAMS, once again the player haters are showing me how psychedelic they aren't thinking. Why?.. I do sound test while I'm in the space station to see what the crowd interprets as I drop things. From one of my test I found that if I play a sample of children having fun on a marry-go-round, Then trick it out in a table top freestyle manner about everyone's mind filters them to believe its a woman screaming from suffering. Then when i stop tricking with it, most still think the same. Now we're talking psychedelic on ones mind and not the music. If you want to make me a believer about you masked negativity about this style then, make me think when I read your post. Pretend your actually trying to get somewhere, like to a happy little village.
When I think psychedelic, i don't think about orbiting around the Earth as if I'm high. I like chilling with Captain Kirk and his crew and gong where no man has gone. If i wanted to be a satellite, I'd drink beer.
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 16:00
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hehe gong where no man has gong before..... yes facing fears is extremely beneficial. I dont always feel up to doing that but it is there if i need to do that. a majority of the negative emotons we deal with are fear based much like the crazy lady in donnie darko said. Fear of societal pressures fear of somehow getting in trouble by an ever present authority fear of physical harm fear of being silly or expressive we as a culture whether we know it or not are dominated by this in so many ways. IT snot about facing your fears its about acknoledging them and learning how to be accepting of their presence but not subscribe to them or give them power by beliving that they are a part of you its just another attempt at self sabotage. So in some cases yes those scary things arent meant to scare you because the person who made it is a demon and wishes to scare your heart to slivers. We might want to entertain that thought but really do you think theres some evil kid sitting at his computer trying to make us all feel hatred because he hates love....wait i think black cross is like that. all hail black cross.
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thegooddale
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 16:39
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On 2009-01-15 03:22, psyman wrote:
Psytrance is not murder or death it is life and the celebration of it.
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Psytrance is a style of electronic music, the rest seems to be pretty open to interpretation.
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No it is not just a style of music not for me at least and probably not for the majority of people that listen to it.
For some it is a way to express Yourself for others it is a way of enjoying them selfs it is a way of life of sorts. You learn to accept other more and share Your emotions more and feel more unified ETC (not gonna go there but You get the point)
You just cannot say that Psytrance is another style of Music like House, Pop, Rap or whatnot. People have build communities, chased festivals around the world, and learned to understand each other better throw this music. Also Psytrance is, as quoted by one of its inventors mentioned here Goa Gil "Redefining the Ancient Tribal Ritual for the 21st Century". Go and ask and You will learn that people feel that way.
The purpose of psytrance was NOT to be just another electronic music.
I think after one understands that he can start to be open to any interpretation.
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I think you could easily find people spouting off the same rhetoric about house or techno. Especially back in the heyday of the rave scene. Your vision of the ancient tribal ritual is quite synonymous with the ravers moniker of "PLUR". |
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I love to get freaky...I crave to be exposed...My craving for new sound is insatiable....I am to the point, where genra has no meaning to me. If it is good music then it is good music. The definition of good music being completely subjective. No one should have to defend the sounds they crave/need...
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 20:44
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On 2009-01-15 12:06, konflux wrote:
Abhi, the term is being introduced as we speak.
I did not hear that term much either, actually, but for the lack of a better word I reckon "neurotrance" would do. This reminds of one of the later incarnations of d'n'b — "neurofunk".
P.S. By the way, what in hell has happened to "trauma-trance", y'all?
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lol, this is Neil buddy. But yeah back to the point, i dont see why we have to call it neurotrance or traumatrance or whatever other names are out there. To me personally its pretty simple; there's a Goa derived sound and a sound thats been influenced by other genres. I like the goa sound.
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psyman
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 22:06
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On 2009-01-15 12:06, konflux wrote:
Abhi, the term is being introduced as we speak.
I did not hear that term much either, actually, but for the lack of a better word I reckon "neurotrance" would do. This reminds of one of the later incarnations of d'n'b — "neurofunk".
P.S. By the way, what in hell has happened to "trauma-trance", y'all?
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lol, this is Neil buddy. But yeah back to the point, i dont see why we have to call it neurotrance or traumatrance or whatever other names are out there. To me personally its pretty simple; there's a Goa derived sound and a sound thats been influenced by other genres. I like the goa sound.
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konflux
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 23:29
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lol, this is Neil buddy. But yeah back to the point, i dont see why we have to call it neurotrance or traumatrance or whatever other names are out there. To me personally its pretty simple; there's a Goa derived sound and a sound thats been influenced by other genres. I like the goa sound.
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Sorry Neil.
What about the Goa-derived sound influenced by punk rock and gabber? Oh wait, that's Suomi. 
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