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Why do you like (or dislike) fast (160bpm+) "nuerotrance"
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ASom
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Posted : Jan 14, 2009 12:08
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Based on what I've heard from current Gil fans, it seems his sets are thought of as some kind of psychological endurance training.
This says nothing qualitative about the music at all. The music may be crap or a brilliant masterpiece, but can u survive the bloodbath? It would be interesting to know his personal thoughts on the matter.
What other styles of music provide that kind of mentally and physically exhausting experience? Breakcore? Gabber? Death metal? But where other than a gil party can you empty out ALL your energy for 24+++ hours? And if you were to watch, say, Pig Destroyer or Venetian Snares for two days straight, would you expect the light and love present at all trance parties pouring all around you in support?
Point being: I think Gil's sets are unrelated to the question of whether any of us like or dislike fast stuff. I say if you just keep your mind open and assume the best intentions you'll find beauty in many dark and intimidating places, especially the ones in your own mind. |
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Jan 14, 2009 12:16
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What other styles of music provide that kind of mentally and physically exhausting experience? Breakcore? Gabber? Death metal?
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For me I find some DubStep a " bloodbath " of blowing up fun." SlowCore " and " Tribes of Neurot " are also some of my favorites to bath in at the level your asking. Hell, even some Jam Bands leaning towards bluegrass do it as long as they aren't singing. Just about all Indigenous music also does it.
As a dancer my level of athleticism is very high. It also depends on how people " LET GO " and " DANCE ".
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Jan 14, 2009 16:08
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The things is... I feel you on the speed complaint but in order to remove all the negative energy that this World has, which keeps growing. Field balancing works best at fast frequencies but can be done at slower ones depending on how much negativity our World has, its not just about the party with it's standard values about what proper flow is. People carry this vibrational tone of black energy within them regardless of how they think Let Love rule the World, like the Beatles tried to tell us when fast frequencies then where only kicking around 120bpm. The music has always been a refection of the times and pumping negative thoughts may just increase the speed even more. I have a strong passion for cutting edge music.
Artist/Jedi/Siths and please don't forget the Dj, all write music for all types of reason. Some are only just Artist and Dj's having a sausage party of the whits, women included.
My question is : How fast do you think the music needs to get in order for mankind to be done with Or come out of your skin to move on to the next faze in energy? Try not to think about your comfort zone in replying please.
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The Andychrist
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One thing I've noticed in a lot of faster psy is that a lot of tension seems to come across the threshold when people are looking for peace in the music. I feel very strongly that this is not at all an artifact of the speed, but is generated by phrases that are inappropriately short with respect to meter when compared with with the "real" time it takes to move through the phrase.
Like Facehead and the Lizard mentioned, One can easily release this tension by reinterpreting the meter of the track being played, or syncopate their dancing style, to acitvely engage the music and bend your brainbox to the internal logic of whatever noisy crap happens to be careening your way.
Alternatively, you can melt into a mush ball and re-consolidate after you've been tuned to the environment... or whatever.
Personally, I have a soft spot for certain inhabitants of the 160-180 zone. It perks me up. =)
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e11even
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 00:53
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I've been reading through all the posts and in my opinion the BPM isn't the whole problem. Just because something is produced fast doesn't mean it has to lack in sound quality. People screaming and all those stupid samples they use doesn't promote the psychedelic experience. What happened to the musical aspect? You know Harmonies & Melodies? I know some people are probably thinking people like me just can't handle dark psytrance when they truth is Nuero is poorly produced trance that is boring as hell.
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Liquid-Vision
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 01:07
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On 2009-01-15 00:53, e11even wrote:
I've been reading through all the posts and in my opinion the BPM isn't the whole problem. Just because something is produced fast doesn't mean it has to lack in sound quality. People screaming and all those stupid samples they use doesn't promote the psychedelic experience. What happened to the musical aspect? You know Harmonies & Melodies? I know some people are probably thinking people like me just can't handle dark psytrance when they truth is Nuero is poorly produced trance that is boring as hell.
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There is plenty of neuro that doesn't have screaming and "stupid samples" and plenty of harmonies and melodies, which are frequently superior to the simple arpeggiated melodies most cheesy trance is composed of.
I dont think you "can't handle dark psytrance" but your clearly a generalizing douchebag.
Whats the point of all this talk anyway? Just listen to whatever the hell you want to, no need to have retentive convo's on what kind of sounds best "promote" (LOL) the psychedelic experience. To each his own, even psychedelia....
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e11even
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 01:40
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On 2009-01-15 01:07, Liquid-Vision wrote:
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On 2009-01-15 00:53, e11even wrote:
I've been reading through all the posts and in my opinion the BPM isn't the whole problem. Just because something is produced fast doesn't mean it has to lack in sound quality. People screaming and all those stupid samples they use doesn't promote the psychedelic experience. What happened to the musical aspect? You know Harmonies & Melodies? I know some people are probably thinking people like me just can't handle dark psytrance when they truth is Nuero is poorly produced trance that is boring as hell.
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There is plenty of neuro that doesn't have screaming and "stupid samples" and plenty of harmonies and melodies, which are frequently superior to the simple arpeggiated melodies most cheesy trance is composed of.
I dont think you "can't handle dark psytrance" but your clearly a generalizing douchebag.
Whats the point of all this talk anyway? Just listen to whatever the hell you want to, no need to have retentive convo's on what kind of sounds best "promote" (LOL) the psychedelic experience. To each his own, even psychedelia....
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Obviously that upsets you so maybe you should learn to shut your mouth instead of voicing your unintelligent opinions if you can't handle having conversations on a Psychedelic Trance Forum! Listen to the Sh*t till your ears bleed I don't care.
Nuero = Fast, chaotic, hollow, empty, pointless sounds that have no melody.
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vaxination
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 02:01
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hey lets keep this from turning into a flamewar guys it was just getting good.
I think my only problem with neuro isnt really the music, its often the tuning of the sound systems its played on. due to the high frequencies used, if the high end is too loud it shreds through your ears..
I think thats also partly why it worked well for me at aum, those JBLs were crisp and the dsp kept everything in line.
mmmmmm.. I cant wait for it to warm up its going to be one hell of a season this time around.
regardless of what style you like, we're all trancers, I like melodies in the morning, but you know what, at 2am it sounds like cheese, but at 8am as the sun rises its fucking bliss..
point is, theres a time and place and set and setting for all styles, theres room for it all if you make it.
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e11even
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 02:07
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regardless of what style you like, we're all trancers, I like melodies in the morning, but you know what, at 2am it sounds like cheese, but at 8am as the sun rises its fucking bliss..
point is, theres a time and place and set and setting for all styles, theres room for it all if you make it.
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Agreed.. I love your positive outlook 
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DJ Uhm
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 02:08
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The thread made it through 4 pages this time before derailing a bit 
Ultimately it does boil down to individual preferences. The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter what genre of music it is, it will have a ass-load of craptastic cuts being released. In this day and age in which anyone can "produce" and release music there's bound to be a bountiful supply of music that blows. The same goes for what is psychedelic to one person is crap or cheese to another.
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GorillaDust
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 02:26
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Maybe it's time to have another stage for 160+ bpm tunes at shows.
1 stage ambient
1 stage middle ground
1 stage chainsaws
Kidding, kidding. I like it all in moderate doses.  |
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konflux
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 02:41
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On 2009-01-15 02:26, GorillaDust wrote:
Maybe it's time to have another stage for 160+ bpm tunes at shows.
1 stage ambient
1 stage middle ground
1 stage chainsaws
Kidding, kidding. I like it all in moderate doses.
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From what I saw in Moscow line-ups last year some promoters tend to do that. They'd have three stages with artists like Highko, Safi Connection and Solar Fields headlining in separate rooms.
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 02:42
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along with chainsaw dancers instead of fire dancers. ya i think you are onto something. but they all have to sync up duh... ambient plays at 70 mid at 140 and fast at 280 and have all of the sound systems facing the same dancefloor. se people its that simple.
also can we change the official cutoff to 161 bpm so i dont have to be outside the fence ya know? |
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DJ Uhm
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 02:54
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If they are passing out chainsaws on the dance floor, then I am in
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Well another topic like that ok I will go with the flow.
Night time trance=Dark trance=neurotrance=murdertrance=deathtrance or what ever other name to this style of PSYCHEDELIC TRANCE is nothing new it has been here for Years. Typically the party would start with the more heavy, twisted, faster, rougher music and then move into the more happy, easier to listen "Cheesier" if You call it that way, go ahead.
What I am saying is that there is a certain time of the party for everykind of Genre in Psytrance Dark, Morning fullon, Proggy, Chill ETC. And that is the way it has always been. There was always people that liked the night music better and people that liked the morning music better.
But my opinion is that Psytrance has to be about making people happy, uplifted, comfortable, and enjoyable. If they make music which is 200 BPM and it doesnt make people happy and enjoy, instead it makes them be scared, uncomfortable, not wanting to dance, and not pleasant-then it should not be played. A lot of the music being made today at those speeds are made without putting a lot of thought into it. That has to change I think
Not talking against anything and only speaking for my self but I don't like names like "murder trance" "death trance" and such, it does not have a place in this scene. It is just don't match with the overall purpose of that scene and Psytrance. Those names are promoter, artist inventions to differentiate them selfs.
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