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Why do you like (or dislike) fast (160bpm+) "nuerotrance"
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Angel Ai
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 07:12
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GyPsynate
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 07:13
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I have seen gill a bunch of times and at leased he never sounds the same. Every year he has a new bag -o- tricks to freak you out.
We took E11even (LOL) to see Gill in Portland,OR last time he was there and well not my favorite set of his it was, intense. I personally can only handle 1 maybe 2 tracks at 160 + but I have to say it seemed to work for him because I did not hear any obvious mixing problems like in past years.
He changes with the music, he brings the most crazy shifts in trance for the time, keeps it new and different.
Didnt like his set wait till next year.LOL
Love you Gil!
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 15:45
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Yes Furious really does it for me lately. Though his latest album, Supremacy, wasnt as flooring as Uncanny Beats, nonetheless great stuff. 1up.
Also BBQ with Mackies by Highko, Cosmo, Ocelot, Naked Tourist, and Chromatone on the Noise Brothers on Poison album is infact the best 'neuro' track written to date.
This music is very positive for me. Overwhelmingly. So put that in yer corncob.
Toke it or leave it,
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krisamadhi
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 16:48
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bastardsamadhi
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 18:36
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On 2009-01-13 06:20, OpenSourceCode wrote:
But the fact is, if I'm gonna pay my money to go to a psy trance party, I wanna hear the fastest, wildest most bizarre music I've ever heard in my life. Otherwise, why would i be there?
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Ignoring "fastest," I really can only wish Gil or psytrance in general was truly wild or bizarre.  I miss that.
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 20:03
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i agree with ^^
i wish the music was more bizarre, i think often times when the bpm is so fast, the atmospheric sounds that really make the music psychedelic disappear and/or they just are left out in the first place. maybe people need to get more creative because what use to be bizarre is no longer because we are use to it. gil is always changing which is good. i personally didnt like the babies crying and the slasher bloody scream samples in some of the tracks last time i went to a gil party however after thinking about it- he DID trip me out with those tracks, it did take me to a dark crazy place and then brought me out to see the light again(but still not too light) and it gives you or is meant to give you a new perspective- at least thats how i took it.
yeah maybe some of it doesnt lock you into that incredible non-stop flow of dancing, but to me it took my mind to somewhere else and back
its all personal- i'd personally like to hear more bizarre atmospheric tracks at around 145-160, with twisty unique leads, also i notice a lot at parties specifically the bass and kick taking up toooo much sound- i know thats the heart of the track but too often i hear them overwhelming the speakers or maybe the track is just made that way and all the other sounds are hiding in the background making some tracks seem lacking..... thats just my ear- im not at alllll a pro or even good in making music but from my experimenting with creating music this is what i've gathered |
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vaxination
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 20:56
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I guess I'll throw my 2 cents in here. First off, I've met gil and had the pleasure of getting to talk to the guy, hes a great person and I really like his energy, but when it comes to the music he is into these days, while I think I understand it, I cant say it personally resonates with me.
I think what Gil is trying to do is be a cosmic mirror, in the sense that he is channeling the memetic flow of not just our scene but the energy of the world at large. The music is getting faster and more intense because the music is a release for the producers, many of which come from social climates alot closer to the war zones and madness than many americans can understand with first hand experience. though israel, one of the more warring nations isnt kicking out the nasty dark shit so maybe thats a bad analogy.
the point is, I think he is brutalizing it trying to wake us up out of the daydream that everything is perfect, everything is fucked people, get on it and make it the beauty you want to see.
if you dont like his style then play what your heart draws you to. I personally enjoy a median tempo of about 144, I think its optimal for long periods of trance dancing because thats about where your heart ends up when you are active. that doesnt mean its perfect or even ideal, its my prefered tempo.
I used to take a negative stance on the darkness, but I've now heard alot that I like and I think there is alot of creativity there. I think people are pushing the speed boundary in an effort to keep it inaccessable to the mainstream and also to reflect our constantly accellerating speed as a global culture. A new york minute seems to be getting faster and faster these days.
Personally, I've been digging the faster side of suomi lately and also some of the recent dark offerings. one thing I've noticed is when you slow down these 160s range tracks to slower speeds sometimes you get really cool unintended results.
part of the job of the dj is to do what you will with the music, if its too fast, slow it down, if its too slow, speed it up. I want to keep an open mind with trance, I see the polarizing but I think its an effort to maintain the balance, I think thats alot of the reason for the resurgance of the neo goa movement, the kids who really fell in love with the old goa sound want to revitalize it with the benefits of modern synths and sequencing and I think that is awesome.
I'll admit I love me the funkiness, and I like it glitchy and groovy, but I realize there is a time and a place for everything. I honestly think gil could fit well into the early morning hours, but I'd rather hear melodies at 7am, but I'm a cheese ball to you hardcore nutters so do what you will.
I found my experience at gil was more one of being a passive receiver than an active dancer, but I was also coming down with a cold, so maybe I need to do it again and give him a chance, if hes out of the deepest depths of the scary darkness now then maybe its time to give the baba another go round.
I guess the point is, I love all you guys, regardless of your substyle, preference, whatever, trancers are the most inspiring collective of edm heads I've ever had the pleasure of driving insane distances to party down with. So whatever you like, seek it out, and know that we are all working twords waking people up in our own way, we are all part of the same paradigm, and we are all doing our part in the larger picture of things.
/end rant, if you made it through it, I guess I owe you a beer some morning this season.
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 21:44
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On 2009-01-13 18:36, bastardsamadhi wrote:
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On 2009-01-13 06:20, OpenSourceCode wrote:
But the fact is, if I'm gonna pay my money to go to a psy trance party, I wanna hear the fastest, wildest most bizarre music I've ever heard in my life. Otherwise, why would i be there?
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Ignoring "fastest," I really can only wish Gil or psytrance in general was truly wild or bizarre. I miss that.
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yes i think this sums most of it up for me as well. That just means its up to us to make it that way. we know how to make music and we miss the wild wierdness so either we throw a flower on the grave of something we loved and move on or we try to breathe new life into it by giving people more variety more creativity and less product.
I think its still worth it to try.
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konflux
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 22:09
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 22:48
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Thanks konflux.....this whole thread is about ____ in the eye of the beholder.
Good music is good music regardless of tempo. Just because it is dance music doesn't mean that you always have to dance to it. I also agree with what someone said earlier about some tracks being more of something to enjoy passively and not danced to. We all have our own filters, and there's probably a ton of jaded people posting in this thread too. Put pre-disposed notions away and open yourself up to different experiences; IE bend don't break. Leave your expectations at the door.
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FattyAcid
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 23:21
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once again, I am not trying to persuade people to agree with me, just trying to gain new perspectives on an art form I don't always understand/and/or appreciate AS much as others....
I don't dislike the music simply because it's fast, in fact, I don't dislike it AT ALL, I just, personally, find it to be LESS conducive to the trance dance experience.... I love me some glitchness, don't get me wrong, but a whole night of it just doesnt excite my pallate for some reason
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bastardsamadhi
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 23:27
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I just think my expectations were set too high to begin with. Damn you, UTTA Chaos! 
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kameleonpangea36
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Posted : Jan 13, 2009 23:43
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On 2009-01-13 20:56, vaxination wrote:
many of which come from social climates alot closer to the war zones and madness than many americans can understand with first hand experience.
I think he is brutalizing it trying to wake us up out of the daydream that everything is perfect, everything is fucked people, get on it and make it the beauty you want to see.
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which warzones are you talking about? what about the neuro coming out of San Fransisco?
I think its more of just a matter of taste.
brutalizing people into liking your music isnt really that cool. he needs to tell more of a story with his sets, psytrance and trance in general have so many different sides and variations, when i saw him he played the same exact style of nuero for 24 hours! i think it should have been pretty obvious that people weren't enjoying it because no one was out there at all, yet he didn't change up one bit. to me this is a bit of arrogance on his part. a lot of people had traveled from a long way away yet were chilling at their camp site??
Furious is making some absolutely mind boggleling music!
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kahn
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Posted : Jan 14, 2009 00:24
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On 2009-01-13 23:43, kameleonpangea36 wrote:
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On 2009-01-13 20:56, vaxination wrote:
many of which come from social climates alot closer to the war zones and madness than many americans can understand with first hand experience.
I think he is brutalizing it trying to wake us up out of the daydream that everything is perfect, everything is fucked people, get on it and make it the beauty you want to see.
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which warzones are you talking about? what about the neuro coming out of San Fransisco?
I think its more of just a matter of taste.
brutalizing people into liking your music isnt really that cool. he needs to tell more of a story with his sets, psytrance and trance in general have so many different sides and variations, when i saw him he played the same exact style of nuero for 24 hours! i think it should have been pretty obvious that people weren't enjoying it because no one was out there at all, yet he didn't change up one bit. to me this is a bit of arrogance on his part. a lot of people had traveled from a long way away yet were chilling at their camp site??
Furious is making some absolutely mind boggleling music!
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The GREAT War of San Francisco... 
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vaxination
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Posted : Jan 14, 2009 01:00
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On 2009-01-13 23:43, kameleonpangea36 wrote:
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On 2009-01-13 20:56, vaxination wrote:
many of which come from social climates alot closer to the war zones and madness than many americans can understand with first hand experience.
I think he is brutalizing it trying to wake us up out of the daydream that everything is perfect, everything is fucked people, get on it and make it the beauty you want to see.
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which warzones are you talking about? what about the neuro coming out of San Fransisco?
I think its more of just a matter of taste.
brutalizing people into liking your music isnt really that cool. he needs to tell more of a story with his sets, psytrance and trance in general have so many different sides and variations, when i saw him he played the same exact style of nuero for 24 hours! i think it should have been pretty obvious that people weren't enjoying it because no one was out there at all, yet he didn't change up one bit. to me this is a bit of arrogance on his part. a lot of people had traveled from a long way away yet were chilling at their camp site??
Furious is making some absolutely mind boggleling music!
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hence the maybe thats a bad analogy at the end of that statement..
however San fran is also one of the leading cities in the US in terms of protesting war.. soooo with conciousness perhaps comes world perspective and it reflects in the music.. Its just a speculation I'm not claiming to be right.
or maybe they just got burned out on the fluffy shit and decided they wanted it dark nasty and twitching.. lol. Its probably just a matter of personal taste.
if I were an anthropologist I would definately write a paper about the psy community.. theres so many ways to look at it.
I forgot to mention before but the AUM festival really changed the way I look at dark trance, up until that point I didnt see how it could work in a long term party format. But watching ghreg on earth in the morning really changed my perspective on what can fit where.
Still I like the direction gaian mind took last year with their sunday morning format, not fluffy but not dark, just powered right through the morning..
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